Paul McCoy is gone!

[moodymadmen]

I just think its high comedy that you two offer excuse after excuse and explanation after explanation and spin after spin regarding 4 BAD YEARS UNDER DOHERTY...28 games under .500 overall, 30 games under .500 in CUSA, 0 CUSA tourney wins, etc etc is constantly explained away though negative DISD relations, no one said it would be a quick fix, he is a former coach of the year give him time, he needs 5 years, the system is now in place, the assistants are now in place, Doh is [deleted] the recruiting trail, blah blah blah. Yet McCoy suffers 1 MEDIOCRE SEASON after 1 IMPRESSIVE SEASON and you throw him to the wolves as a person/player that had "inflated numbers" "sub-par passer and shooter" "mental midget" "not focused" "not giving 100%" "abysmal defender" "can't run point" "isnt a great match for the system" "p-whipped" "needs lithium" etc etc. You constantly lay into people for "negative posts" and state that Doherty is here for another year-support the program or its not good for recruiting to have prospects come on the board and scare them off with the negativity...well look how you are now blasting a former Mustang that gave 2 years to this program and blew out a knee in the process. It sucks that he is leaving under these circumstances but at least respect that the kid decided to come to SMU as a highly regarded prospect and wore our jersey for 2 seasons, don't spin one MAN's failings and then kick a KID on his way out of town fellas...

[CalallenStang]

duplication of all of the other moodymadmen posts

See my responses to all of your posts. The fact that you can come up with nothing new says something about how much you know about our program. Get a clue.

And I'm not spinning Doh's record. It's inexcusable, even with the limitations of this program. That being said, we have a contract in place and need to work in the constraints of the contract.

look how you are now blasting a former Mustang that gave 2 years to this program and blew out a knee in the process. It sucks that he is leaving under these circumstances but at least respect that the kid decided to come to SMU as a highly regarded prospect and wore our jersey for 2 seasons, don't spin one MAN's failings and then kick a KID on his way out of town fellas...

I didn't attack Paul, just pointed out the obvious. He wasn't willing to work hard and due to that, he won't be a big loss. End of discussion.

[PonyDoh]

I just think its high comedy that you two offer excuse after excuse and explanation after explanation and spin after spin regarding 4 BAD YEARS UNDER DOHERTY...28 games under .500 overall, 30 games under .500 in CUSA, 0 CUSA tourney wins, etc etc is constantly explained away though negative DISD relations, no one said it would be a quick fix, he is a former coach of the year give him time, he needs 5 years, the system is now in place, the assistants are now in place, Doh is [deleted] the recruiting trail, blah blah blah. Yet McCoy suffers 1 MEDIOCRE SEASON after 1 IMPRESSIVE SEASON and you throw him to the wolves as a person/player that had "inflated numbers" "sub-par passer and shooter" "mental midget" "not focused" "not giving 100%" "abysmal defender" "can't run point" "isnt a great match for the system" "p-whipped" "needs lithium" etc etc. You constantly lay into people for "negative posts" and state that Doherty is here for another year-support the program or its not good for recruiting to have prospects come on the board and scare them off with the negativity...well look how you are now blasting a former Mustang that gave 2 years to this program and blew out a knee in the process. It sucks that he is leaving under these circumstances but at least respect that the kid decided to come to SMU as a highly regarded prospect and wore our jersey for 2 seasons, don't spin one MAN's failings and then kick a KID on his way out of town fellas...

I call it as I see it. McCoy was given every opportunity, and made a real nuisance of himself in the process. His approach to the season was pretty much inexcusable, and he made himself a sideshow in the process. The staff was very accomodating w/him, and it just wasn't meant to be. I wish him well, and appreciate the two years he gave to the program, but he's a soft drama queen. No sour grapes, cause I like both Clink & Pats. Onward and upward.

Mostly, I can judge situations case by case, and not throw everything under the Doh bus. Lots of schools recruited McCoy, few knew he'd have the issues he has, which has nothing to do w/his injury. I have no problem blaming Doh for all kinds of stuff, including tons of crap you don't even know about. I hate the results, despise their lack of PR savvy, and can't believe how much staff turnover we've had. The end of the PG hunt made me physically ill. I could go on all day about things that annoy me about the current state of the program, but here's the thing, why takeover a Paul McCoy thread. The only part of this, that's on Doh, is the fact that he recruited a damaged talent. Cruxify him for that, if you must, but McCoy is on McCoy. Some of this has to do w/the kind of year he had last year, but most of it does not. High maintenance doesn't cover the kid. He's talented, so I hope he recovers quickly, and screws his head on straight. He can be a player somewhere w/serious reflection, but I'm not sweating his absence. I am, however, scared shitless over the PG situation and the clearinghouse.

[moodymadmen]

I just think its high comedy that you two offer excuse after excuse and explanation after explanation and spin after spin regarding 4 BAD YEARS UNDER DOHERTY...28 games under .500 overall, 30 games under .500 in CUSA, 0 CUSA tourney wins, etc etc is constantly explained away though negative DISD relations, no one said it would be a quick fix, he is a former coach of the year give him time, he needs 5 years, the system is now in place, the assistants are now in place, Doh is [deleted] the recruiting trail, blah blah blah. Yet McCoy suffers 1 MEDIOCRE SEASON after 1 IMPRESSIVE SEASON and you throw him to the wolves as a person/player that had "inflated numbers" "sub-par passer and shooter" "mental midget" "not focused" "not giving 100%" "abysmal defender" "can't run point" "isnt a great match for the system" "p-whipped" "needs lithium" etc etc. You constantly lay into people for "negative posts" and state that Doherty is here for another year-support the program or its not good for recruiting to have prospects come on the board and scare them off with the negativity...well look how you are now blasting a former Mustang that gave 2 years to this program and blew out a knee in the process. It sucks that he is leaving under these circumstances but at least respect that the kid decided to come to SMU as a highly regarded prospect and wore our jersey for 2 seasons, don't spin one MAN's failings and then kick a KID on his way out of town fellas...

I call it as I see it. McCoy was given every opportunity, and made a real nuisance of himself in the process. His approach to the season was pretty much inexcusable, and he made himself a sideshow in the process. The staff was very accomodating w/him, and it just wasn't meant to be. I wish him well, and appreciate the two years he gave to the program, but he's a soft drama queen. No sour grapes, cause I like both Clink & Pats. Onward and upward.

Mostly, I can judge situations case by case, and not throw everything under the Doh bus. Lots of schools recruited McCoy, few knew he'd have the issues he has, which has nothing to do w/his injury. I have no problem blaming Doh for all kinds of stuff, including tons of crap you don't even know about. I hate the results, despise their lack of PR savvy, and can't believe how much staff turnover we've had. The end of the PG hunt made me physically ill. I could go on all day about things that annoy me about the current state of the program, but here's the thing, why takeover a Paul McCoy thread. The only part of this, that's on Doh, is the fact that he recruited a damaged talent. Cruxify him for that, if you must, but McCoy is on McCoy. Some of this has to do w/the kind of year he had last year, but most of it does not. High maintenance doesn't cover the kid. He's talented, so I hope he recovers quickly, and screws his head on straight. He can be a player somewhere w/serious reflection, but I'm not sweating his absence. I am, however, scared [deleted] over the PG situation and the clearinghouse.

And I'm just calling it like I see it too. But I will just focus on sub-par records and recruitment and judgement, if I ever resort to calling Doh "mental midget" "sideshow" "not focused" "p-whipped" "needs lithium" "soft drama queen" etc, you will know I have jumped the shark. And I'm hardly taking over this thread, I'm questioning the harsh treatment of McCoy and stating that your guys bashing of him is humorous in contrast to your Doh-support...especially in the context of his 1 year of malfeasance vs Doh's 4...

[ponydawg]

[Wuba]

If in fact he needs lithium then that is a medical condition that really should not be brought up on a public forum. I hope you did not reveal something confidential.

[PonyDoh]

If in fact he needs lithium then that is a medical condition that really should not be brought up on a public forum. I hope you did not reveal something confidential.

I have no personal or medical knowledge of the kids prescriptions. It was more a statement that he needed it, not that he was on it

[PonyDoh]

And I'm just calling it like I see it too. But I will just focus on sub-par records and recruitment and judgement, if I ever resort to calling Doh "mental midget" "sideshow" "not focused" "p-whipped" "needs lithium" "soft drama queen" etc, you will know I have jumped the shark. And I'm hardly taking over this thread, I'm questioning the harsh treatment of McCoy and stating that your guys bashing of him is humorous in contrast to your Doh-support...especially in the context of his 1 year of malfeasance vs Doh's 4...

Nobody is supporting Doh endlessly. None of us have any sort of allegiance to him. None of us will follow him blindly into the night. This is what needs to be done to get the program righted in the short term. We've been over this time and again, I'm just not interested in the rehash. I'm [deleted] McCoy b/c he mentally and physically mailed it in, not b/c he transferred. The personality & competitive traits he showed this past year were alarming, and they are on him.

Also, you can quote me all day long. Its a message board, and words only hurt if you're soft. Besides, I have the truth on my side. Paul was a huge pain in the [deleted]

[moodymadmen]

Your anti-McCoy words aren't hurting me, I just find it shocking how you and others are so quick to stab him in the back as he leaves town. Critiques of his bball skills or off-season laziness are fine with me if thats your opinion but when you attack a kid on a overtly personal level, I have a problem with it. Its humorous and disingenuous that upon his transfer you aren't "sweating his abscence," when Doherty has spent the off-season hailing his recovery as an integral component for success next year and only a week ago YOU were declaring how "pretty darn big" McCoys return was as we needed him as our starting point guard. Pick a side of the fence and stay there amigo...

Re: Paul McCoy
by PonyDoh » Wed Apr 28, 2010 6:48 pm

Stallion wrote:
"make sure he turns around and comes back-we may need him with a true freshman PG."

McCoys recovery is pretty darn big for the reason you mention. As of now, he has to be your starting pg, right?

[papawasamustang]

McCoy had a great freshman year. McCoy had a terrible soph year. McCoy didn't even come close to the 1st team All conference pre-season hype. It was obvious to me that McCoy didn't spend much, if any time in the gym over the summer. Played with guys with more talent that fell off the face of the earth for the same reasons. You just can't show up @ this level of competition & expect to get by based on your past performance. Its a full-time job that requires daily training to succeed @ the D1 level.
Also, I have been saying for 2 1/2 years that Doh must go. However, this is 100% on McCoy, not Doh.
And who really cares if he was the 3rd or 4th best player on the team. That's not saying much anyway. Especially for a young man that didn't want to be here to begin with.
Good luck Paul & thanks for a great freshman year. You were awesome. As for last year, I'm just glad you didn't hurt anybody on the bench or in the stands with some of those ugly passes.
Time to move on..........

[FriscoPMG]

Re: Paul McCoy
by PonyDoh » Wed Apr 28, 2010 6:48 pm

Stallion wrote:
"make sure he turns around and comes back-we may need him with a true freshman PG."

McCoys recovery is pretty darn big for the reason you mention. As of now, he has to be your starting pg, right?

I think this is the most troubling aspect of the whole thing. Even if McCoy was awful last season and missed the last half, as of today he is (was) your best option to run the point next season. Now we're relying on a true freshman who no one other than Doh is confident can step in immediately, as well as a collection of combo / 2 guards to fill the void. Even if McCoy's failure falls 100% on himself, PonyDoh is correct that the current PG situation should have everyone scared sh*tless and that is 100% on Doh.
I hope Clink and Pats can step in and help with the driving and dishing aspect of the offense, but they're both mainly shooters too, so I don't think it exactly comes natural to them either (I haven't actually seen Pats play but that's the impression I get from others on this board).
So regardless of where anyone stands on the McCoy transfer, the bottom line is still that he was at least a good fallback option if the PG hunt didn't work out. Early impressions are that the PG hunt failed and now you don't even have that fallback.

[papawasamustang]

Pats can run the point. He can handle the ball much better than Walker, Clink, Haynes, or Harp.
The wild cardS are Barbre & Dohtails. Plus, Pats is a outstsnding passer.
When Fran F. Broke the news of Pats coming to SMU on his website, I believe
he described Pats as an excellent PG.
If I were Doh, Pats would be the 1st option I look at. At 6'4, he brings a lot of options to the table.

[MustangIcon]

Pats can run the point. He can handle the ball much better than Walker, Clink, Haynes, or Harp.
The wild cardS are Barbre & Dohtails. Plus, Pats is a outstsnding passer.
When Fran F. Broke the news of Pats coming to SMU on his website, I believe
he described Pats as an excellent PG.
If I were Doh, Pats would be the 1st option I look at. At 6'4, he brings a lot of options to the table.

I don't know how good his handles are, it is difficult to tell based on the level of competition from the video I have seen on him (which has been taken off youtube apparently btw). But you are DEAD ONE about his passing ability. The guy has ridiculous court vision and is a very, very gifted passer. To me, that was the most exciting thing about the kid. Granted, I have only been a follower of SMU hoops for the past 10 years, but in that time we have never had a passer and player with the floor vision of Pats.

[PonyDoh]

Your anti-McCoy words aren't hurting me, I just find it shocking how you and others are so quick to stab him in the back as he leaves town. Critiques of his bball skills or off-season laziness are fine with me if thats your opinion but when you attack a kid on a overtly personal level, I have a problem with it. Its humorous and disingenuous that upon his transfer you aren't "sweating his abscence," when Doherty has spent the off-season hailing his recovery as an integral component for success next year and only a week ago YOU were declaring how "pretty darn big" McCoys return was as we needed him as our starting point guard. Pick a side of the fence and stay there amigo...

Re: Paul McCoy
by PonyDoh » Wed Apr 28, 2010 6:48 pm

Stallion wrote:
"make sure he turns around and comes back-we may need him with a true freshman PG."

McCoys recovery is pretty darn big for the reason you mention. As of now, he has to be your starting pg, right?

Again, my opinion of McCoy of a player remains the same. Good player, can penetrate and finish. Not a passer, not a true PG. I had tremendously high hopes for him as a talent, but his antics rquired a ton of time & energy. We replaced him very well when he was out. I have no idea what we are doing at PG, but I sorta like the rest of the team. The quote you attribute to me is more a reflection on JS, then it is having faith in McCoy. I hated the end of the PG search and have been vocal about it.

[PonyDoh]

Pats can run the point. He can handle the ball much better than Walker, Clink, Haynes, or Harp.
The wild cardS are Barbre & Dohtails. Plus, Pats is a outstsnding passer.
When Fran F. Broke the news of Pats coming to SMU on his website, I believe
he described Pats as an excellent PG.
If I were Doh, Pats would be the 1st option I look at. At 6'4, he brings a lot of options to the table.

I'm w/you on two things, Pats to PG and 'Dohtails' as JS' new nickname.