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Re: We may be headed to the MWC now

Postby EastStang » Tue Aug 31, 2010 6:24 pm

Sounds weird, but I'd ask TCU, AFA, Army and Navy to join CUSA. Keep the west as is with TCU and AFA, or split private + academies into one division and the public schools in another division. With the prospect of playing mostly private schools Army and Navy might be more willing to look at such a deal and then the Commander in Chief trophy series is a conference series and two bowl tie ins follow the service academies. That's worth talking about. AFA, Army, Navy travel hugely well and bring TV $$$$ to the table.
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Re: We may be headed to the MWC now

Postby Pweesey » Tue Aug 31, 2010 6:31 pm

Their TV deal was not great when there were 9 teams. If they expand it would be split 12 ways with no Utah market. The Reno and Fresno markets added very little. If renegotiated I doubt it will be worth much more, if any.

I believe the MWC averaged less than 7,000 more fans per game last year than CUSA. They just lost BYU and Utah, the schools with the highest attendance (BYU being far and away the leader). They add Boise and 32,000 fans per game, Nevada with 17,500 per game, and Fresno with 33,000. I haven't run the numbers but I'd guess that the average attendance would now be very close between the 2 conferences.

The football is better, no doubt. As long as TCU and Boise stay strong. As far as I can tell, the only reason for TCU to stay in the MWC as constituted today is to play Boise.
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Re: We may be headed to the MWC now

Postby PK » Tue Aug 31, 2010 6:33 pm

Going to the MWC at this point would be like rejoining the WAC and that was not a great experience the first time. I'm not so sure TCU will not try to find a spot somewhere else soon. They weren't too thrilled with the WAC either. MWC isn't too stable right now and neither is the Big 12-2. Anything we do right now including staying where we are is a big crap-shoot. Hope the boys in charge know what they are doing.
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Re: We may be headed to the MWC now

Postby PK » Tue Aug 31, 2010 6:37 pm

EastStang wrote:Sounds weird, but I'd ask TCU, AFA, Army and Navy to join CUSA. Keep the west as is with TCU and AFA, or split private + academies into one division and the public schools in another division. With the prospect of playing mostly private schools Army and Navy might be more willing to look at such a deal and then the Commander in Chief trophy series is a conference series and two bowl tie ins follow the service academies. That's worth talking about. AFA, Army, Navy travel hugely well and bring TV $$$$ to the table.

Interesting idea, but doesn't get us any closer to an AQ division. However, it would make for some fun games and might make for some good TV contracts and dollars.
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Re: We may be headed to the MWC now

Postby HB Pony Dad » Tue Aug 31, 2010 6:42 pm

The MWC is less than zero!

They shot their wad with Fresno State and Nevada and now have a big hole in their "alleged" conference where the state of Utah used to be.

SMU needs to stay as far away from that train wreck as physically possible.

TCU has to be sorely disappointed as any chance of AQ status just went "poof"!
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Re: We may be headed to the MWC now

Postby fan » Tue Aug 31, 2010 8:05 pm

HB Pony Dad wrote:The MWC is less than zero!

They shot their wad with Fresno State and Nevada and now have a big hole in their "alleged" conference where the state of Utah used to be.

SMU needs to stay as far away from that train wreck as physically possible.

TCU has to be sorely disappointed as any chance of AQ status just went "poof"!



Agreed- SMU needs to keep looking East.
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Re: We may be headed to the MWC now?

Postby Hoop Fan » Tue Aug 31, 2010 9:01 pm

east, i was saying something similar a few weeks ago about navy, army. the thing about us saying no to the MWC if asked is we can't say no if Houston goes because if we say no, then Utep goes and CUSA West is decimated. Just us and our Rice and Tulane buds that we can have debate contests with in front of 200 spectators. This is about survival, not preferences.
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Re: We may be headed to the MWC now

Postby SMU89 » Tue Aug 31, 2010 9:45 pm

HB Pony Dad wrote:The MWC is less than zero!

They shot their wad with Fresno State and Nevada and now have a big hole in their "alleged" conference where the state of Utah used to be.

SMU needs to stay as far away from that train wreck as physically possible.

TCU has to be sorely disappointed as any chance of AQ status just went "poof"!


Agree. Just wonder how long until Texas says they are going Independent and more dominoes fall creating opportunities.
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Re: We may be headed to the MWC now?

Postby CalallenStang » Tue Aug 31, 2010 9:48 pm

Hoop Fan wrote:east, i was saying something similar a few weeks ago about navy, army. the thing about us saying no to the MWC if asked is we can't say no if Houston goes because if we say no, then Utep goes and CUSA West is decimated. Just us and our Rice and Tulane buds that we can have debate contests with in front of 200 spectators. This is about survival, not preferences.


Because Tulsa isn't in the West.
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Re: We may be headed to the MWC now

Postby smupony94 » Tue Aug 31, 2010 9:51 pm

HB Pony Dad wrote:The MWC is less than zero!

They shot their wad with Fresno State and Nevada and now have a big hole in their "alleged" conference where the state of Utah used to be.

SMU needs to stay as far away from that train wreck as physically possible.

TCU has to be sorely disappointed as any chance of AQ status just went "poof"!

I hear you have been playing some golf lately - Thad ratted you out
. You also said shot their wad and big hole in the same sentence
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Re: We may be headed to the MWC now?

Postby westexSMU » Tue Aug 31, 2010 9:53 pm

The only thing that makes since to me at this time would be a playoff between CUSA/MWC for a BCS bid. Beyond that a conference change for us now to another non BCS conference in turmoil makes zero since for us or UH. We need to holdout for stability in the future.
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Re: We may be headed to the MWC now?

Postby Hoop Fan » Tue Aug 31, 2010 9:59 pm

westexSMU wrote:The only thing that makes since to me at this time would be a playoff between CUSA/MWC for a BCS bid. Beyond that a conference change for us now to another non BCS conference in turmoil makes zero since for us or UH. We need to holdout for stability in the future.


if a bcs bid was possible at all for a MWC-CUSA alliance, why would Byu have left? they wouldn't have. its total wishful thinking and wont happen without a hell of a legal fund and lawsuit.
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Re: We may be headed to the MWC now?

Postby Paladin » Tue Aug 31, 2010 10:22 pm

BYU left the MWC to match Utah's exit from the conference. BYU and Utah are traditional, historical rivals--think UT- TAM. You could almost see this coming when the "Utes" made their announcement about their exit to the Pac-10.
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Re: We may be headed to the MWC now?

Postby Hoop Fan » Tue Aug 31, 2010 10:31 pm

yeah, i understand the utah-byu dynamic full well but it remains that if bcs access for MWC-CUSA alliance had any legs, byu would have stayed for that.
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Re: We may be headed to the MWC now?

Postby StallionsModelT » Tue Aug 31, 2010 10:35 pm

Maybe BYU to the Big 12.
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