Major officiating gaffe on final drive?

[mrydel]

Threeputt has a history of knowing the rules. I will go with what he said.

[Junior]

Thanks, mrydel.

[JasonB]

Yes, it was a mistake.

That said, things tend to even out in the world of football. In the first half, they made the same mistake, in our favor. They were driving, and had a procedure penalty, and on the play, Davis was called for a facemask. They again did overriding penalties and replay the down instead of making the correct call.

So, they were wrong, but at least they were consistent.

[soccermom]

We were fussing in our house when Potts threw the ball in our player's face---and you're right the ref was right there and saw it---and no penalty given. Oh well.......some things don't change and SMU has had to play the other team and the refs in many games.

[Junior]

We'll get 'em next time.

[Stallion]

It was generally a well officiated game. One of the least controversial games I've seen in a long time-we are talking about a little toss of a ball at an opponent. I saw a lot of pushing and shoving by SMU on the play everybody is complaining about. In fact, I think the officials may have missed a big turnover by SMU when Padron was sacked late in game. Pretty damn sure Padron thought he fumbled or he wouldn't have spiked the ball with about 1:40 left. The ball was on the ground behind Padron's helmet No fumble no replay although a reverse angle would have had to be reviewed to get a good look at it. Anyone have any other explanation of what he was doing if that was not the case.

[mrydel]

I had no idea why he spiked the ball so I have to believe you are correct. Also, I still contend the so called incorrect calls were in fact correct.

[Topper]

Good question. Shouldn't Davies have picked up on that also? It would have made a big difference.

Davies has never picked up on anything important in any game I have ever heard him call. He was atrocious in this one as well.

[Topper]

Yes, it was a mistake.

That said, things tend to even out in the world of football. In the first half, they made the same mistake, in our favor. They were driving, and had a procedure penalty, and on the play, Davis was called for a facemask. They again did overriding penalties and replay the down instead of making the correct call.

So, they were wrong, but at least they were consistent.

and it seems that there were an unusually low number of typical first game mistakes like procedure and off sides calls on the part of both teams.

[Mexmustang]

On the spike...I honestly believe he was exhausted, couldn't catch his breath, was overheated and could not possibly have made a good play. Going to the sideline after every play and the Tech defense was wearing him out. Our guys played great, just needed a few fresh bodies to help out. It is a tribute to our coaches that our players never quit and gave everything they had. One might question one player near the end, but unless you were there, you would not understand the extreme heat on the field and in the stands. I think he might have simply been in a daze or close to heat stroke--Tech lost at least half its student side during half-time. I didn't go to the A&M game several years ago, but this was worse than the inaugural Kansas game, this was played in full sun, and an away game.

[Three Putt]

Threeputt has a history of knowing the rules. I will go with what he said.

Thanks. I have officiated football for over 20 years.

As for the Illegal Shift/Roughing the Passer, they are both live ball fouls that can offset. They got it 100% correct. The yardage on the roughing is admistered as a dead ball enforcement, meaning that the yardage can be walked off from the end of a run as opposed to the previous spot. Of course this assumes the pass was complete beyond the line of scrimmage. If not, I could understand why there was no call on the toss of the ball by the Tech QB, as there was a lot of stuff going on at the time, but normally this is a no-brainer and is called every time. Sometimes, what looks like an obvious hold, might not be called. It depends on a number of factors that would take too long for me to explain, but keep in mind that in most instances, if it is at the Point of Attack, it will always be called. And if it's a Wide Receiver, the defender had better be making a concentrated effort to break away from the receiver. And, yes, I know that sometimes he can't because of being held, but that's just the philosophy.

I saw a call the other day where the R announced illegal procedure. There really is no such thing. It has to be something more definitive than that (False Start, Illegal Snap, 5 player in the backfield, Illegal Shift, etc.). The first two of those is a dead ball foul, the other two are live ball fouls. In the TCU game, the flank official threw a flag on #88 of TCU for Illegal motion. That was a mistake, IMHO. He should have shut the play down and made it a False Start based on the player simulating the start of the play. But, who am I to criticize? He's working the game and I'm sitting at home.

Another pet peeve of mine is that the word "lateral" is not in the rule book. A pass is either forward or backward. When in doubt, it's forward.

Most announcers don't have a clue as to the rules, by the way. Some are better than others, though.

Not sure about what crew worked that game. The Referee was a CUSA official, but there has been a lot of merging of officials this year, so it makes it a little difficult to know for sure.

[Treadway21]

Threeput, Thanks for the clarification. Appreciate it.

On a unrelated note, Davies still s*cked.

[ponytailgater]

It's "administered" as a dead-ball foul, however, the foul itself is a live-ball foul. They got it right. There was no mistake by the officials.

I disagree. If they way they called it is correct, a linebacker could see the flag for illegal procedure and then know he has a free shot at QB. Roughing the QB is an add on, therefore not offsetting. For instance, say there was defensive pass int. on the play and a roughing the passer.The pass interference would be stepped off and then the rough the qb would be tacked on.

[Nacho]

davie clearly doesn't like tt. i thought he make some nice comments about us. the non bcs team almost always gets hammered by the announcers if they are playing a bcs team. musberger and herb definitely were pulling for vt. happens almost every game.

[Three Putt]

It's "administered" as a dead-ball foul, however, the foul itself is a live-ball foul. They got it right. There was no mistake by the officials.

I disagree. If they way they called it is correct, a linebacker could see the flag for illegal procedure and then know he has a free shot at QB. Roughing the QB is an add on, therefore not offsetting. For instance, say there was defensive pass int. on the play and a roughing the passer.The pass interference would be stepped off and then the rough the qb would be tacked on.

You can disagree all you want, but that's the way it's handled. And there is no such thing as "illegal procedure." I pointed that out in an earlier post.