Trustees Vote to Build 5 More Dorms-No More IPF?

[Samurai Stang]

You have a reading comprehension problem and make false and unrelated claims to my statements.

please call the university and let them know you are willing to write a check for land and a building.

Welcome to the club. For reasons I don't understand Samauri over reacted to my posts last week, reading intent into straight forward opinions. I think he enjoys conflict.

You claimed that Toledo's athletic department has greater spending capabilities than does SMU. It was a ridiculous statement, and one that needed to be corrected.

[couch 'em]

You make a proposal that Highland Park might enjoy being able to redistribute its money through Robin Hood, I explain why it is ridiculous. You then claim that you never made such a statement, while posting the very Robin Hood proposition again. Amazing.

He is trying to say that he believes Highland Park would enjoy some extra money from renting out it's facility, however, he is also acknowledging the possibility that they might have to give up the money to Robin Hood thus negating the benefit of renting it out.

He believes they would like the extra money, but they may or may not be capable of collecting it.

[Samurai Stang]

You make a proposal that Highland Park might enjoy being able to redistribute its money through Robin Hood, I explain why it is ridiculous. You then claim that you never made such a statement, while posting the very Robin Hood proposition again. Amazing.

He is trying to say that he believes Highland Park would enjoy some extra money from renting out it's facility, however, he is also acknowledging the possibility that they might have to give up the money to Robin Hood thus negating the benefit of renting it out.

He believes they would like the extra money, but they may or may not be capable of collecting it.

If so, that is very different from what he wrote, or at the very least what I was reading. Your translation is appreciated.

Highland Park has maintained its status as a wealthy school district in spite of Robin Hood. This has been through the establishment of an endowment which is outside Robin Hood. Were Highland Park to accept such a payment for use of its facilities, it would not be a gift to the endowment, but would instead be a payment which the Robin Hood program would seize and redistribute throughout the state.

Such a payment would result in less state funding for Highland Park than had the payment never been made. Factor in that a payment by SMU would be taken by Robin Hood as well, and Highland Park is losing money on any financial transaction that involves the leasing of its facilities.

In this scenario, SMU is not asking Highland Park for a mutually beneficial transaction, but asking for charity as Highland Park would most likely suffer a financial loss.

[Water Pony]

You have a reading comprehension problem and make false and unrelated claims to my statements.

please call the university and let them know you are willing to write a check for land and a building.

Welcome to the club. For reasons I don't understand Samauri over reacted to my posts last week, reading intent into straight forward opinions. I think he enjoys conflict.

You claimed that Toledo's athletic department has greater spending capabilities than does SMU. It was a ridiculous statement, and one that needed to be corrected.

S.S.

Whether I need to be corrected or not is a whole other issue. But, those were not my words. I was suggesting that Public and Private Universities identity and assess for capital and operating funds differently. Taxpayers can be tapped for funds, especially for large captial projects. For a private school, we start with major donors for 80-90% of the costs. Is wasn't who had the bigger Athletic budget?

In any case, the debate is not worth the electricity.

[Samurai Stang]

S.S.

Whether I need to be corrected or not is a whole other issue. But, those were not my words. I was suggesting that Public and Private Universities identity and assess for capital and operating funds differently. Taxpayers can be tapped for funds, especially for large captial projects. For a private school, we start with major donors for 80-90% of the costs. Is wasn't who had the bigger Athletic budget?

Note that when North Texas engaged in an athletic building project it raised tuition. Houston plans on doing the same thing in order to pay for its stadium. Just as in the state of Texas, such large projects are similarly funded in Ohio.

While Toledo's capital projects budget did contribute a small portion of the funding needed to construct the facility, it was almost entirely paid for by private donors. Taxpayers did not rise to the occasion and present Toledo with a gift, as Toledo received no extra funding for this project from the state than it would in any other year. Toledo may be a public university, but it receives little taxpayer support for its athletic facilities. SMU is infinitely more capable than Toledo.

[jtstang]

Actually I think NTSU imposed an "athletic fee" rather than changing tuition rates.

[smupony94]

Actually I think NTSU imposed an "athletic fee" rather than changing tuition rates.

you are correct

[Dooby]

Viewing the longterm plan, it strikes me that the two logical locations for an IPF are (i) existing practice fields; or (ii) current intramural fields. With the fraternity houses (Phi Delt, Beta, Figi, Sig Ep, KS and KA) movng north, the intramural fields cease to be in an ideal location for anyone. I don't see why one could not be converted to the IPF and it asthetics would be a non-issue since it would be in the middle of campus rather than the border.

[mustangxc]

Does an indoor practice facility necessarily have to be ugly? I don't think our ipf has to be a bubble, we could and should build something similar to UH's Athletics Alumni center which on the outside looks very nice.

[San Antonio Mustang]

It does not need to be higher than Ford is.

True, but is there a setback for the height? I may be totally wrong, but I remember a height restriction coming up before.

I seem to remember no higher than 3 stories and variance was required for club boxes. Hence having to dig down for the field

I would think 3 stories would be high enough for an IPF.

[Dutch]

i hadn't considered intermural fields. not a bad location next to the parking garage. doesn't have to be an eyesore either. that parking garage has to be taller than 3 stories.

[Dooby]

Does an indoor practice facility necessarily have to be ugly? I don't think our ipf has to be a bubble, we could and should build something similar to UH's Athletics Alumni center which on the outside looks very nice.

I think it is in the eye of the beholder. By definition, the IPF will be a big box or a bubble. Yeah, you can have a nice facade and add some offices and such to make it nice, but it isn't like you can make it look like Dallas Hall.

[CalallenStang]

Does an indoor practice facility necessarily have to be ugly? I don't think our ipf has to be a bubble, we could and should build something similar to UH's Athletics Alumni center which on the outside looks very nice.

I think it is in the eye of the beholder. By definition, the IPF will be a big box or a bubble. Yeah, you can have a nice facade and add some offices and such to make it nice, but it isn't like you can make it look like Dallas Hall.

You could make it look like the Blanton Building, though.

[RGV Pony]

I've posted this one before...

Michigan's while still under construction:

[Samurai Stang]

I've posted this one before...

Michigan's while still under construction:

Michigan's indoor practice facility is an unusually expensive at $26.1 million. It does have more of the look that SMU would be looking for, while keeping in mind that SMU could only afford a very scaled down version. Consistency in architecture is extremely important to both Turner and SMU, and I expect no exception to be made for a practice facility.

As such, SMU will never be home to the less expensive variety of practice facility that will be able to be seen at Eastern Michigan which cost $3.9 million.



Hideous in its affordability.