Auburn Info - they deserve death penalty

[Blvd_Stang]

Cam Newton Accepts Heisman then Pony Excess plays...Oh the irony

[Nacho]

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Death_penalty_(NCAA)

auburn may deserve it but to my knowledge they don't meet the criteria.
i hope msu runs a squeaky clean program because auburn is going to make sure they do.

[gostangs]

Hey - for even more irony - why dont we replace Auburn after they get kicked out of the SEC? Open up a great new TV market, give Vanderbilt someone to hope to beat, open up recruiting inroads vs the Big 12,11,10,9,8...... give the sec west teams a bit of a breather...It would be a brilliant move.

[HB Pony Dad]

Hey - for even more irony - why dont we replace Auburn after they get kicked out of the SEC? Open up a great new TV market, give Vanderbilt someone to hope to beat, open up recruiting inroads vs the Big 12,11,10,9,8...... give the sec west teams a bit of a breather...It would be a brilliant move.

And then Auburn and Alabama move to the Big East because the SEC is too "dirty" for them!

[HB Pony Dad]

"You get caught and you do it again!"

Kiffin: Baxter to sit after possible agent contact

Obviously the University of Success and Charm can't be quiet for two stinkin' years.

What is it about small private Methodist universities in large metropolitan cities?

Co-joined Twins perhaps?

[Stallion]

Small private schools where wealthy alumni can have unusual access to and control of the power structure and leaders of the university based upon financial contributions. State schools are more beholden to poltical interests to obtain state legislature funding. I'm serious-it could easily happen again at SMU. Look at some of the crazy claims SMU alumni make about the Death Penalty after 5 probations in 11 years, a dedicated slush fund that went back over a decade, and the Head Coach, AD, Board of Trustees, President of the University having full knowledge and condoning payments for years. Many can't seem to distinguish that situation from the rouge coach or rouge booster situation. I'm not sure I trust alumni, who think SMU got screwed by the NCAA, do the right thing if they get the "fever". Zealous boosters and recruits/student athletes don't mix and the less contact they have with each other-the better.

[b_caesar]

I firmly believe the NCAA will never again get to the point where they are able to penalize a team with the DP.

Schools saw what happened to SMU, and since then they have learned exceptionally well the boundaries and limits to which they can cheat and lie and pay under the table and slither around without reaching the point of having the DP levied as a penalty.

I'm sure it's been tossed around the NCAA offices a few times and in the direction of a few select schools over the last 25 years, but every time it is, the school in question seems to have magically backed off or managed to mitigate the potential damage just enough to avoid it coming to fruition.

And that, my friends, is why we'll never see it happen any where else.

Never.

[Stallion]

I know Bobby Lauder at Auburn used to be on the Board of Trustees. Is he still on the Board of Trustees. You will note all these rumors seem to desperately try to tie the Auburn scandal to Lauder because it will in some ways parallel the SMU situation if he is still a Trustee. But yes there is a reason the NCAA doesn't give the Death Penalty if a University cleans things up before the Board of Trustees tries to cover things up. That's actually positive for College Football forcing institutions to take responsibility at the highest levels to clean up cheating those at the highest levels have knowledge of.

[peruna81]

Small private schools where wealthy alumni can have unusual access to and control of the power structure and leaders of the university based upon financial contributions. State schools are more beholden to poltical interests to obtain state legislature funding. I'm serious-it could easily happen again at SMU. Look at some of the crazy claims SMU alumni make about the Death Penalty after 5 probations in 11 years, a dedicated slush fund that went back over a decade, and the Head Coach, AD, Board of Trustees, President of the University having full knowledge and condoning payments for years. Many can't seem to distinguish that situation from the rouge coach or rouge booster situation. I'm not sure I trust alumni, who think SMU got screwed by the NCAA, do the right thing if they get the "fever". Zealous boosters and recruits/student athletes don't mix and the less contact they have with each other-the better.

..in addition to the sitting Govenor of the State of Texas.

We cheated with absolute impunity and were caught, punished with the rules of the time, and chose to continue the football program on life support for an additional 20 years. It is irrelevant as to what other schools were doing at the time. That argument does not mask what WE were doing, and continued to do after numerous sanctions through the '70s and '80s. We got what we deserved.

I will posit again the thought again that SMU made the perfect choice for this example by the NCAA...we were not a major revenue-generating source for the NCAA in the mid '80s (as Auburn. ND, OU, A&M, Alabama, or Southern Cal were and are), and therefore it did not gore the ox much to see SMU fall. Bigger dollars are at stake now with the BCS...but no team has yet (as Stallion has noted before) risen to the mark set by SMU.

[b_caesar]

I don't like sheating, either.

[ParkyPony]

Small private schools where wealthy alumni can have unusual access to and control of the power structure and leaders of the university based upon financial contributions. State schools are more beholden to poltical interests to obtain state legislature funding. I'm serious-it could easily happen again at SMU. Look at some of the crazy claims SMU alumni make about the Death Penalty after 5 probations in 11 years, a dedicated slush fund that went back over a decade, and the Head Coach, AD, Board of Trustees, President of the University having full knowledge and condoning payments for years. Many can't seem to distinguish that situation from the rouge coach or rouge booster situation. I'm not sure I trust alumni, who think SMU got screwed by the NCAA, do the right thing if they get the "fever". Zealous boosters and recruits/student athletes don't mix and the less contact they have with each other-the better.

..in addition to the sitting Govenor of the State of Texas.

We sheated with absolute impunity and were caught, punished with the rules of the time, and chose to continue the football program on life support for an additional 20 years. It is irrelevant as to what other schools were doing at the time. That argument does not mask what WE were doing, and continued to do after numerous sanctions through the '70s and '80s. We got what we deserved.

I will posit again the thought again that SMU made the perfect choice for this example by the NCAA...we were not a major revenue-generating source for the NCAA in the mid '80s (as Auburn. ND, OU, A&M, Alabama, or Southern Cal were and are), and therefore it did not gore the ox much to see SMU fall. Bigger dollars are at stake now with the BCS...but no team has yet (as Stallion has noted before) risen to the mark set by SMU.

Then when is enough....enough? There are ALWAYS going to be circumstances that may not be exactly as what SMU did, but it still reaches WAY beyond some overzelous alumni. The bottom line is these so-called major BCS conference big revenue schools are STILL continuing to cheat. Don't care how you slice it or dice it. It's still cheating!

[Stallion]

Here's the reason for the distinction

Why should tens of thousands of innocent alumni, 100s of innocent athletic department families and the entire reputation of a university have to suffer through a Death Penalty because of some [deleted] rouge fan or worse NFL agent when the Institution does not directly participate in the cheating and is actively attempting to prevent it. The Death Penalty should be reserved exclusively for schools where there is Institutional neglect or active participation in the illegal conduct by the leaders of the university-and that means more than just a rouge coach here and there. Other NCAA sanctions like probation and TV/Bowl bans are more appropriate for these cases. Now let's sit back and see which category Auburn fits into.

[HB Pony Dad]

This is an interesting read from this morning's LA Times:

Sunny in Seattle, Pete Carroll feels gloomy about the end in L.A.

No regrets about leaving USC. "If I climbed a cool mountain, I wouldn't have to do it again," he says.

But he's here, isn't he, because he was on the run?

"I didn't do that," he says. "I don't like people saying that. It's not true. I already had it resolved in my mind there would be some [NCAA] outcome, but no idea they'd make it look so ugly. There was almost an energy to it — something almost vile. There was an agenda — they [the NCAA] wanted to set a tone.

"It was sick," he says before catching himself and saying, "It made me sick to my stomach.

"We were the best thing to happen to college football in every single way. Everybody was watching because it was so good, and then to get hammered like that…"

We know now Bush was a cheater, and always knew that Athletic Director Mike Garrett was arrogant, thereby ticking off the NCAA. But what about Carroll?

How can you not look upon the excitement he stirred and not say he was one of the best things to ever happen in L.A. sports?

"When someone tells me they had fun because of what we were doing," he says, and which I did, "it's the greatest compliment someone could offer."

"Oh puke," says the wife, who doesn't buy anything Uncle Pete has to say, a wonder someone could be so argumentative and remain married all these years.

[Big Hoss]

I am sure the NCAA was also hoping that making an example of us, a smaller school that was easier to take down than one of the football powerhouses, would have more of a long-lasting effect than it did. If the NCAA actually looks to preserve any dignity they have, they should hand out the death penalty again to Auburn, or someone like them. Otherwise, they don't have any stones, nor do they have any integrity for preserving amateur athletics.

[redpony]

NCAA ?? They have no stones, they have no dignity. The only thing they have is a desire to get more $$$ in the coffers and they will never penalize the big $$$ programs no matter how corrupt or crooked they are.

I often wonder if we would have filed a selective enforcement action against the NCAA when they were deciding our fate if they would have given us the DP. I think a giant 'witch hunt' on violations might have changed the entire landscape of college football. Just an opinion and conjecture.

GO PONIES!!!