PonyFans.comBoard IndexAround the HilltopFootballRecruitingBasketballOther Sports

Competitive Disadvantage – The Essay

This is the forum for talk about SMU Football

Moderators: PonyPride, SmooPower

Postby PonySnob » Wed Jul 14, 2004 5:51 pm

It is truly unfortunate that for whatever reason, our football team is one of the worst in the nation and yet over in Fort Worth, TCU seems to be able to generate nothing but positive interest in their program. For some reason, many SMU alums don't want our program to be like TCU's. Wouldn't we rather be talking about going undefeated, making a run at a BCS bowl (however unlikely) instead of hoping for 2 or 3 wins and continuing to have a wait until next year attitude. How can we truly say that we are doing things the "right" way? Right way for what - to drive a program into the ground.[/quote]
User avatar
PonySnob
PonyFans.com Super Legend
 
Posts: 11516
Joined: Sat Feb 08, 2003 4:01 am
Location: Dallas, TX

Postby BUS » Wed Jul 14, 2004 9:21 pm

I know I messed up on the is Texas intead of in Texas.

Am I not correct that there is no such thing as a Education Degree in Texas. Do not you need to have a major first, then take the appropriate courses to become certified?
Mustang Militia: Fight the good fight"
User avatar
BUS
PonyFans.com Super Legend
 
Posts: 7273
Joined: Wed Mar 22, 2000 4:01 am
Location: Richardson, Tx usa

Re:

Postby jtstang » Wed Jul 14, 2004 9:47 pm

BUS wrote:I know I messed up on the is Texas intead of in Texas.

I believe his point was you were wrong that SMU doesn't offer the certification courses. But I could be wrong.
User avatar
jtstang
PonyFans.com Super Legend
 
Posts: 11161
Joined: Sat Feb 21, 2004 10:21 am
Location: Dallas, TX

Re:

Postby jtstang » Wed Jul 14, 2004 9:49 pm

PonySnob wrote:For some reason, many SMU alums don't want our program to be like TCU's.

I don't know about that--I suspect most would like to emulate TCU's success--just the ones who are in control who don't seem to get it.
User avatar
jtstang
PonyFans.com Super Legend
 
Posts: 11161
Joined: Sat Feb 21, 2004 10:21 am
Location: Dallas, TX

Postby RGV Pony » Wed Jul 14, 2004 10:56 pm

Maybe not exactly like TCUs, but I can think of a number of programs I'd like to be like that's different from the way it is now. NW'ern. New Mexico. In a year or two, Baylor. Tulane. Houston. Boston College. Houston. Pitt. Hell, once upon a time we were looking down at Notre Dame (Gerry Faust era).

Bottom line, IMO, is $$=w's. Granted, Faculty Senate needs to chill. But I'm not BSing...hire an experienced political fundraiser...put him in charge of the Mustang Club. There's plenty of people in Big D & elsewhere with more $$ and more sense that would make it work the right way this time around.

$$=w's.
User avatar
RGV Pony
PonyFans.com Super Legend
 
Posts: 17269
Joined: Sat Dec 27, 2003 4:01 am
Location: Dallas

Re:

Postby GoRedGoBlue » Wed Jul 14, 2004 11:18 pm

RGV Pony wrote:Maybe not exactly like TCUs, but I can think of a number of programs I'd like to be like that's different from the way it is now. NW'ern. New Mexico. In a year or two, Baylor. Tulane. Houston. Boston College. Houston. Pitt. Hell, once upon a time we were looking down at Notre Dame (Gerry Faust era).

Bottom line, IMO, is $$=w's. Granted, Faculty Senate needs to chill. But I'm not BSing...hire an experienced political fundraiser...put him in charge of the Mustang Club. There's plenty of people in Big D & elsewhere with more $$ and more sense that would make it work the right way this time around.

$$=w's.


I think you are putting the cart before the horse... W's = $$$, not the other way around. When you have W's, then the $$$ flows, then the SUSTAINING power is there. No one wants to donate to what is a potential losing situation.

A chicken and an egg are sitting in bed. The chicken is smoking a cigarette, but the egg seems distraught. The chicken says to the egg, "Well, I guess we solved the problem of who came first."
GoRedGoBlue
Heisman
 
Posts: 1527
Joined: Tue May 06, 2003 3:01 am
Location: dallas,tx,usa

Postby click » Thu Jul 15, 2004 6:15 am

Bus, several schools offer education majors, you choose your field and take the education classes as part of your degree plan
click
Scout Team
 
Posts: 88
Joined: Wed Apr 18, 2001 3:01 am
Location: texas

Postby BUS » Thu Jul 15, 2004 7:16 am

But you can not get a degree in Primary Grades Education or Secondary Grades Education anymore. Like it used to be.

I do not know about the teaching certificate courses???? Are they taught at SMU?

Help Please :D
Mustang Militia: Fight the good fight"
User avatar
BUS
PonyFans.com Super Legend
 
Posts: 7273
Joined: Wed Mar 22, 2000 4:01 am
Location: Richardson, Tx usa

Postby RGV Pony » Thu Jul 15, 2004 7:23 am

Your point has merit, BUS. Now, does the luster of the w dictate the success with $$? Many would argue yes, but TCU would argue no. So would UNT. Then again, Stallion earlier had a point about Potts. He started working his Mustang Mania magic before the w's.
User avatar
RGV Pony
PonyFans.com Super Legend
 
Posts: 17269
Joined: Sat Dec 27, 2003 4:01 am
Location: Dallas

Re:

Postby Dooby » Thu Jul 15, 2004 8:22 am

GoRedGoBlue wrote:
RGV Pony wrote:Maybe not exactly like TCUs, but I can think of a number of programs I'd like to be like that's different from the way it is now. NW'ern. New Mexico. In a year or two, Baylor. Tulane. Houston. Boston College. Houston. Pitt. Hell, once upon a time we were looking down at Notre Dame (Gerry Faust era).

Bottom line, IMO, is $$=w's. Granted, Faculty Senate needs to chill. But I'm not BSing...hire an experienced political fundraiser...put him in charge of the Mustang Club. There's plenty of people in Big D & elsewhere with more $$ and more sense that would make it work the right way this time around.

$$=w's.


I think you are putting the cart before the horse... W's = $$$, not the other way around. When you have W's, then the $$$ flows, then the SUSTAINING power is there. No one wants to donate to what is a potential losing situation.

A chicken and an egg are sitting in bed. The chicken is smoking a cigarette, but the egg seems distraught. The chicken says to the egg, "Well, I guess we solved the problem of who came first."


Not true. At least not if you want to acknowledge that TCU had a blueprint of success that is worth, at least examining. When TCU had their 1 win season they promptly fired their coach. They then went and paid big money to Dennis Franchione to leave New Mexico and take the TCU job, which at the time was in the same conference. At TCU, the money came first. Why? Because the administration was committed.
At no point in your rambling, incoherent response were you even close to anything that could be considered a rational thought. Everyone in this room is now dumber for having listened to it. I award you no points, and may God have mercy on your soul.
User avatar
Dooby
PonyFans.com Legend
 
Posts: 3005
Joined: Tue Jan 15, 2002 4:01 am
Location: Dallas, Texas, USA

Re:

Postby ponyboy » Thu Jul 15, 2004 8:28 am

BUS wrote:But you can not get a degree in Primary Grades Education or Secondary Grades Education anymore. Like it used to be.


Let me get this straight. A lack of primary and secondary education degree is keeping us from the blue chip recruits we need?
ponyboy
PonyFans.com Super Legend
 
Posts: 15134
Joined: Wed Mar 22, 2000 4:01 am
Location: University Park,TX US

Re:

Postby jtstang » Thu Jul 15, 2004 9:24 am

BUS wrote:I do not know about the teaching certificate courses???? Are they taught at SMU?

Since you clearly misunderstood PX's previous post, let's try this once more.

http://www.smu.edu/teacher_education/undergradcertification.asp
User avatar
jtstang
PonyFans.com Super Legend
 
Posts: 11161
Joined: Sat Feb 21, 2004 10:21 am
Location: Dallas, TX

Postby EastStang » Thu Jul 15, 2004 9:38 am

I want to explain the dichotomy so that PonySnob can understand it. SMU would love to be successful on the football field like TCU is, but we would not like to be like TCU in their poor academics or their lack of facilities. If SMU can find a way to admit better athletes while not sacrificing its academic excellence and graduation rates then so be it. I do not want to go to a program where athletes are rented for a year, don't graduate, or fail out right. I also don't want to cheapen an SMU degree to win a couple of football games. But as I said above there are ways of tweaking transfer hour acceptability and to come up with some athlete friendly majors. BTW, the B school is not a bad place for an athlete to pursue a degree. A general business major need only take one accounting course. Then they can take marketing, sales, advertising, promotion, public speaking, business law, real estate, etc. So an athlete could create his own sports marketing degree.
EastStang
PonyFans.com Super Legend
 
Posts: 12659
Joined: Fri Feb 15, 2002 4:01 am

Postby Hoop Fan » Thu Jul 15, 2004 9:44 am

All one needs to do is go to TCU's main webpage. There is an easy link to courses offered. It takes about two minutes to figure out they have a much "broader" course offering shall we say than SMU.
Hoop Fan
PonyFans.com Super Legend
 
Posts: 6814
Joined: Fri Mar 17, 2000 4:01 am

Postby Stallion » Thu Jul 15, 2004 9:47 am

well don't look now Boys but TCU has a higher graduation rate than SMU for the last class counted by the NCAA. I would say that since Tubbs left and TCU no longer has 3/4 of the BB team made up of JC transfers, that TCU has done it EXACTLY right with a nice mix of academics and winning although they had to dig a little deeper into the JC football bowl last year with 6 JCs.
Stallion
PonyFans.com Super Legend
 
Posts: 44302
Joined: Tue Dec 19, 2000 4:01 am
Location: Dallas,Texas,USA

PreviousNext

Return to Football

Who is online

Users browsing this forum: Google [Bot] and 10 guests