The countdown begins- Predictions

[Wuba]

Between SMU Football and the Houston Texans, I can't get rid of these horrible coaches.

This has to be a fat finger job. SMU football horrible coaches? Huh? Basketball I can understand, but football?

Nowhere in his post did he mention SMU football. He is referencing Bob McNair's Houston Texans from the National Football League coached by Gary Kubiak.

You should really read the post you are quoting before you type.

[mustangxc]

You should really read the post you are quoting before you type.

Sadly, I did read it. I just mis-read it.

[PonyDoh]

and redpony took the bait, exposed himself, and got hammered by a legit response. well played and correct, mustangxc. IMHO, getting to the Garden in the NIT is probably a bunch harder than a minor bowl appearance these days. For SMU to get to the Garden in the NIT, chances are they'd have to beat at least one, if not 2, major conference programs. That's a bunch harder than what we have to do to get to an Armed Forces bowl or whatever

I agree that getting to the Garden in the NIT is harder than simply making an appearance in a minor bowl. That is why I said winning a minor bowl game. I think the 2009 Football season would equate to the final four of the NIT. This year's season would be more along the lines of making it to the NIT. After all, Army is a terrible team.

I agree w/you overall, and its semantics, but I don't think this years football team remotely equates to NIT in hoops, not even CBI, unless you're a power conference team. SOS would be ok, but no good wins. 2009 team would be like making the Nit, IMO. Just nit-picking and having fun w/it. Either way, redpony is about as far off base as one can be

[papawasamustang]

The SMU football program under June Jones is improving. The W-L record is improving.
The SMU basketball program under Matt Doherty is not improving. The W-L record is not improving.
Simple as that.

It's all about the W's, and there just haven't been enough of them during Doh's tenure. This is supposed to be a big time top 25 program. Instead, the program acts like a NAIA program. It really is embarrassing.

[PonyDoh]

The SMU football program under June Jones is improving. The W-L record is improving.
The SMU basketball program under Matt Doherty is not improving. The W-L record is not improving.
Simple as that.

It's all about the W's, and there just haven't been enough of them during Doh's tenure. This is supposed to be a big time top 25 program. Instead, the program acts like a NAIA program. It really is embarrassing.

Come on Papa, you know SMU hoops improves dramatically next year, and that's not to defend Doh, cause I'm going grey waiting.

Also, the June question was IF we went roughly 500 in year 4. That would have him well below 500 during his run here, and since most are predicting in the 6-6 range next year, its an interesting talking point. Especially when you consider how many quit on SMU hoops for going close to 500 last year(year 4), w/a more difficult schedule than football faces, and a tougher rebuild to start.

I get that Doh sucks, just interested to see if JJ gets similar treatment for average results next year. I like June a ton, he just gets so much praise around here for being vastly overpaid. Two years of 7-7 or 6-6 ball is pretty awful for 2.75. I know where we're coming from, so that's cool for a minute, but not much longer.

Even worse, he and his agent just grandstanded a ridiculous PR play not a week ago w/regards to the Maryland job. First, Terps never came close to offering him. It was a straight up scripted ploy by both parties to gain leverage. June wants indoor facilities and looser admissions. I have no problem w/that, but manufacturing a job 'offer' to gain leverage sucks, especially when you consider he approached us, and we're making him more money than he's seen in his life. Then they leak to Kate, take it national, and start demanding things via his agents twitter? Sorry, that's weak sauce and he should get roasted for it.

[NickSMU17]

I Don't disagree about JJ....

Doh is really terrible

[redpony]

ponydoh and mustangxc- you don't know what you are talking about. First- there are 32 bowl games not 35. So there are not 70 teams. Based on internet info 19% of the bball teams are invited to the NCAA. The also rans get an invite to the NIT. Football has 32 bowl games of which just over 27% are invited to participate.
Now lets forget the numbers as they are close to the same. How can you coherently compare dohs performance with winning the CUSA division championship and playing for the conference championship? How about just being division champion? How many of those did doh win in years two and three.

Ponydoh, sorry but when doh is canned you will have to butter up to another coach to hope to sell some of your crap. Can both of you not agree that doh is a failure and a cancer at our university (oh, sorry I forgot that ponydoh is not one of us but just a peddler hoping to sell to the bball team). And you are saying that the OOC schedule of fball is much less than the OOC of our bball team this year. What team is the bball playing that is in the top 10 let alone # 2 or 3. You need to extract your head from doh's poto and face the facts.

GO PONIES!!!

GO PONIES!!!

[NickSMU17]

Half of Div 1 football teams participate in a bowl...

There are 2 teams that play in each game...

[NickSMU17]

What you should be arguing if how hard it is to turn around a football program relative to bball...

One can be done with 1 or 2 players, the other takes years to re-vamp...

[redpony]

Nick- 53% of div 1 teams play in a bowl game. There are 32 bowl games and 64 of 119 teams that play. Of that half are winners and the other half losers. (duh)
I argue with anyone that thinks is is easier to take a 20+ year losing fball program and turn it around than it was to build a winning bball program that had been semi-successfu. Yes, it is obvious coaching makes a difference.

GO PONIES!!!

[NickSMU17]

You agree that it is far more difficult to get into the NCAA and NIT tourney then to play in a bowl...

[redpony]

Nick- obviously if 28% get to the NIT/NCAA it is less than the number of teams that get to a bowl game. Winning your conference is not much different (or even winning your division).
The bball team can't get out of the basement let alone win the division.

GO PONIES!!!

[mustangxc]

ponydoh and mustangxc- you don't know what you are talking about. First- there are 32 bowl games not 35. So there are not 70 teams. Based on internet info 19% of the bball teams are invited to the NCAA. The also rans get an invite to the NIT. Football has 32 bowl games of which just over 27% are invited to participate.
Now lets forget the numbers as they are close to the same. How can you coherently compare dohs performance with winning the CUSA division championship and playing for the conference championship? How about just being division champion? How many of those did doh win in years two and three.

Ponydoh, sorry but when doh is canned you will have to butter up to another coach to hope to sell some of your crap. Can both of you not agree that doh is a failure and a cancer at our university (oh, sorry I forgot that ponydoh is not one of us but just a peddler hoping to sell to the bball team). And you are saying that the OOC schedule of fball is much less than the OOC of our bball team this year. What team is the bball playing that is in the top 10 let alone # 2 or 3. You need to extract your head from doh's poto and face the facts.

GO PONIES!!!

GO PONIES!!!

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http://sports.espn.go.com/ncf/news/story?id=5168379

[papawasamustang]

Over 1/3 of D1 men's basketball programs participate in one of the four post season tournaments.

There is no excuse for a D1 men's basketball program in Dallas, Tx. not to be participating in one of these post season tournaments.

http://thequad.blogs.nytimes.com/2009/0 ... ournament/

[redpony]

mea culpa- answers.com lists 32. I accept the mistake. It still doesn't address the issue of conference/division wins.

GO PONIES!!!