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Postby Pony_Fan » Fri Jan 28, 2011 8:36 am

Can we hang with the Iranian? Who guards him?
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Re: Rice

Postby ponyte » Fri Jan 28, 2011 8:39 am

Don't know much about Rice's greencard player. Is he a center? Guard?
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Re: Rice

Postby Pony_Fan » Fri Jan 28, 2011 8:44 am

http://espn.go.com/mens-college-basketb ... /rice-owls
http://espn.go.com/mens-college-basketb ... /rice-owls

I think he's a PF. They beat UH in OT last game. Haven't watched them other than those last few min the other night. By the W/L, they seem inconsistent

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Re: Rice

Postby ponyte » Fri Jan 28, 2011 9:02 am

If we have our Princeton Offense running well, he will be on a forward or Dia. If they go to the basket strong (backdoor cuts, pick and rolls) and force him to play D, then there is a chance of getting him into foul trouble. Basically make him work [deleted] D and take foul risk to see if it will affect his offensive game. It will also force other Rice defenders to help out and possible open up other players for good shots.

That is all a theory to put pressure on their big player. Others with more knowledge of the game will have more plausible explanations. But this old footballer would have the player being guarded by this Green Card alien attack the basket and make him foul or play energy draining defense.

And the Princeton Offense is design to do just that.
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Re: Rice

Postby PonyDoh » Fri Jan 28, 2011 12:14 pm

Kazemi is a very good player that had high major offers, just like Dia. Nyakundi isn't physical enough to deal w/him all game, I don't think. Ultimately, you just hope Dia gets his and they cancel each other out. The winner will be about supporting casts.

I don't think the princeton is really the best O to force other teams into foul trouble. It's basically a motion offense that emphasizes moving the ball, moving w/o the ball, and forcing the D to focus for good portion of the shot clock. Should they lose focus, open jumper, back door cut etc. Takes discipline to run and defend. It's the reason it bites really athletic teams. Some rely on athleticism to the point of being undisciplined. When that happens, flash to the bucket, dump down, lay up.

Obviously, we have a major low post presence, so the system seems somewhat tailored to getting dia the rock down low. Next year, I'd think we'll work out of the high post more often, and open interior passing lanes, use more pick & pop etc. If they put Kazemi on Dia, Dia could potentially get him in foul trouble just man on man. Same goes for Kazemi though.

Basically, you get other teams in foul trouble off dribble/drive stuff, getting into the lane and forcing the action. We just don't do much of that, short of Jfrogs crafty drive and dish for the winner the other night.
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Re: Rice

Postby ponyte » Fri Jan 28, 2011 12:21 pm

Figured a better analysis would appear. Thanks
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Re: Rice

Postby Pony_Fan » Fri Jan 28, 2011 1:38 pm

Dia has done better about not getting into foul trouble. Let's hope that doesn't change.
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Re: Rice

Postby PonyDoh » Fri Jan 28, 2011 2:24 pm

Pony_Fan wrote:Dia has done better about not getting into foul trouble. Let's hope that doesn't change.


Hold on, you don't want to see Mylo is extended minutes, lol.
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Re: Rice

Postby PonySnob » Fri Jan 28, 2011 2:45 pm

PonyDoh wrote:
Pony_Fan wrote:Dia has done better about not getting into foul trouble. Let's hope that doesn't change.


Hold on, you don't want to see Mylo is extended minutes, lol.



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Re: Rice

Postby EastStang » Fri Jan 28, 2011 3:01 pm

Having coached and played one of the versions of the Princeton offense, it is all about picks and rolls and the defense has to either switch constantly or fight through picks. With enough rotations (if you have time to do it), you many times end up with a guard on your center or a center on your guard, or both. The variations for zone are harder since picks are not as effective. But the concept remains the same. Create open space and mismatches. Sooner or later the defense even in a zone allows a pass to a low post or high post and Dia or a 2 guard can have a field day. Now if the other team is athletic, the solution is full court trapping defense. This forces the offense out of its comfort zone and creates odd man offense.
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Re: Rice

Postby Mustangsabu » Fri Jan 28, 2011 5:08 pm

ponyte wrote:If we have our Princeton Offense running well, he will be on a forward or Dia. If they go to the basket strong (backdoor cuts, pick and rolls) and force him to play D, then there is a chance of getting him into foul trouble. Basically make him work [deleted] D and take foul risk to see if it will affect his offensive game. It will also force other Rice defenders to help out and possible open up other players for good shots.

That is all a theory to put pressure on their big player. Others with more knowledge of the game will have more plausible explanations. But this old footballer would have the player being guarded by this Green Card alien attack the basket and make him foul or play energy draining defense.

And the Princeton Offense is design to do just that.


Hey, I'm a "green card alien"..... not sure I like the negative connotation...:)
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Re: Rice

Postby PonyDoh » Fri Jan 28, 2011 5:21 pm

EastStang wrote:Having coached and played one of the versions of the Princeton offense, it is all about picks and rolls and the defense has to either switch constantly or fight through picks. With enough rotations (if you have time to do it), you many times end up with a guard on your center or a center on your guard, or both. The variations for zone are harder since picks are not as effective. But the concept remains the same. Create open space and mismatches. Sooner or later the defense even in a zone allows a pass to a low post or high post and Dia or a 2 guard can have a field day. Now if the other team is athletic, the solution is full court trapping defense. This forces the offense out of its comfort zone and creates odd man offense.


good stuff, eaststang! thx
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Re: Rice

Postby ponyte » Sat Jan 29, 2011 10:43 am

Mustangsabu wrote:
ponyte wrote:If we have our Princeton Offense running well, he will be on a forward or Dia. If they go to the basket strong (backdoor cuts, pick and rolls) and force him to play D, then there is a chance of getting him into foul trouble. Basically make him work [deleted] D and take foul risk to see if it will affect his offensive game. It will also force other Rice defenders to help out and possible open up other players for good shots.

That is all a theory to put pressure on their big player. Others with more knowledge of the game will have more plausible explanations. But this old footballer would have the player being guarded by this Green Card alien attack the basket and make him foul or play energy draining defense.

And the Princeton Offense is design to do just that.


Hey, I'm a "green card alien"..... not sure I like the negative connotation...:)


Green card means you and he have done the right things to get and work in this country. Not negative at all. Simple descriptive.
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Re: Rice

Postby RGV Pony » Sat Jan 29, 2011 11:01 am

here is a fascinating SI piece on Kazemi. Good read.

http://sportsillustrated.cnn.com/2009/w ... index.html
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Re: Rice

Postby mr. pony » Sat Jan 29, 2011 12:51 pm

Don't forget, when Rice comes to Moody, Dallas' Iranians will be out in force up in the south side rafters. :)
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