TCU Lawsuit

[West Coast Johnny]

Did colt break any laws or jeopardize the team in anyway while at Hawaii?

All you are doing is proving JJs point, he has a history with kids that have had issues...they come out better people after being in his program...

So you would be OK with June Jones recruiting a kid that was thrown in jail for breaking & entering, & burglury with a sexual assault accusation thrown in (Colt Brennan). And you would be OK with Jones recruiting a kid that spent 15 months in juvenile jail for traficing in stolen merchandise (Davone Bess)?

And you would be OK with Jones recruiting these TCU guys?

Afterall, they come out better people under Jones?

[NickSMU17]

Both colt and bess did...JJ has a track record with dealing in these areas...

We did recruit a kid who went to jail for attempted murder, the backlash at the school was too much, and he went elsewhere...

All I am saying is that no professor at SMU should be afraid of a kid in their class...once a kid starts disrupting the learning environment, they should be tossed...I would hope thats what would happen at SMU... I keep forgetting that at TCU learning is a secondary thing....

[lwjr]

The family's lawyers are just following Undercover Frog's first rule of law: You can't get blood from a stone. Find the deep pockets, and sue them.[/quote]

Could not agree more with this statement. They should be going after the kid or kids that are being accused.

[West Coast Johnny]

Both colt and bess did...JJ has a track record with dealing in these areas...

I'm not sure what this means? So you'd be OK with Jones recruiting a kid that spent 15 months in juvee hall for traficing in stolen merchandise?

[West Coast Johnny]

The family's lawyers are just following Undercover Frog's first rule of law: You can't get blood from a stone. Find the deep pockets, and sue them.

Could not agree more with this statement. They should be going after the kid or kids that are being accused.[/quote]

The case against TCU isn't about money. The women and her parents have an ax to grind and want to embarass the school. TCU isn't going to settle this case, and the judge will throw it out because in no way did TCU defraud the women. While TCU made serious mistakes in admitting these thugs, the women's family's agenda is to embarass TCU.

[NickSMU17]

Yes..if the kid has served his time, and can qualify under NCAA requirements, I would put him on a 1 strike policy....The minute he got out of hand in a classroom, I would have him tossed...

You can't argue against the fact that JJ has had kids with numerous behavior issues and all have performed well as players and people...Guy has a passion for rehabilitation projects...

[ya]

The DA did not pursue the charges b/c the girl had on her facebook page links to porno movies she liked and talked about getting gang banged when she became a movie star--her ambition was to be a porno star.

The DA's office declined to prosecute because the girl had questionable character and her story on how it occurred changed over three times. The parents girls cried that is was some sort of good ole boy Fort Worth cover-up and vowed to sue.

Offers of settlement have been made, the parents have refused and a jury in Tarrant County will have to decide.

For the posters who think this happened last season need a lesson in reading comprehension--it happened several years ago.

[West Coast Johnny]

Yes..if the kid has served his time, and can qualify under NCAA requirements, I would put him on a 1 strike policy....The minute he got out of hand in a classroom, I would have him tossed...

You can't argue against the fact that JJ has had kids with numerous behavior issues and all have performed well as players and people...Guy has a passion for rehabilitation projects...

I disagree with you. Neither Bess, Brennam nor these TCU thugs should ever have been admitted to any D1 football program. There are millions of good high school kids out there and scholarships should be given to good kids - not to people with violent criminal histories. Patterson & Jones showed poor judgement by giving these kids (who probably had all the football talent in the world) scholarships, and it doesn't matter that Patterson's decission back-fired & Jones didn't.

[NickSMU17]

We will follow that when you guys start following that...As far as I know we have none of these cases on our current roster...


We had an incidental last year with our starting nose tackle, there was no discussion, he was just gone...

[West Coast Johnny]

We will follow that when you guys start following that......

That's lame. SMU should set its own standards, not copy others. I've said it on the TCU board, the rapist thug that did this should never have been admitted and Patterson and the administration made a big mistake. And its not just because the story has a bad ending. He could have acted like an angel at TCU.... violent criminals should not get football scholarships.

[NickSMU17]

Don't sit and lecture me on standards...you guys have no idea what standards we have had here...

I would review the situation on a case by case basis...thats my final take...

we don't have any kids in the program that fit this description...

[Longtime]

@UndercoverFrog: SMU is most definitely NOT a gated community.

It may be necessary to put guard shacks at all the main entrances someday, especially with the W library being a major target. But right now, SMU is very much an open campus.

And the danger with having a track record of rehabilitating players is that not everyone can be rehabilitated. Some of them are very good at convincing people that they have changed their ways, only to fall back into the same patterns. And some football coaches want to be convinced, especially if the player is a difference-maker.

One last thing: Thugs are only found at other people's schools.

[2ndandlong]

@UndercoverFrog: SMU is most definitely NOT a gated community.

Although, UP is clearly nicer than anywhere around TCU's rape factory, no gates yet. I'm still lobbying for toll booths on Mockingbird though.

[couch 'em]

Yes..if the kid has served his time, and can qualify under NCAA requirements, I would put him on a 1 strike policy....The minute he got out of hand in a classroom, I would have him tossed...

You can't argue against the fact that JJ has had kids with numerous behavior issues and all have performed well as players and people...Guy has a passion for rehabilitation projects...

I disagree with you. Neither Bess, Brennam nor these TCU thugs should ever have been admitted to any D1 football program. There are millions of good high school kids out there and scholarships should be given to good kids - not to people with violent criminal histories. Patterson & Jones showed poor judgement by giving these kids (who probably had all the football talent in the world) scholarships, and it doesn't matter that Patterson's decission back-fired & Jones didn't.

There are armies of good people out there with a criminal history of one type or another, especially from their youth in crime-infested neighborhoods. Many people have incidents in their past that, had chance gone slightly differently, would have ended up with us having a criminal history. A few mistakes in the past is different from a pattern of criminal behavior. You are naive if you think we can get to a top level program without taking a few kids with colored histories.

[Monkeystang]

I agree with Mockingbird being a toll. Too many people use that to get from the east side to the west side.