Brian Cramer

[NickSMU17]

Welcome to the overpriced world of 7 and 6

[Stallion]

7-7

[SMU 86]

Fine you're going to make me do this:

Sterling Moore -- 5 crap 1AA schools
Kyle Padron -- 0 Offers
Taylor Reed -- 0 Offers
Richard Crawford -- 2 1AA offers

Get the point?? Our staff can evaluate talent. Do players with more offers/stars give more talent to the team yes, absolutly. But we've been improving in recruiting every year. And when don't get the stars, our staff does a damn good job at evaluating talent. AND developing talent. That's my perspective through 3+ years experience watchining June and his staff, and there's not a damn thing you can do to change it.

11 players in 3 plus years. I guess you forgot about all those offensive lineman that McKnight recruited that have not seen the field (as well as others). If mediocrity is our goal (simply because it is better than what we were) fine I am with you Blvd_Stang let's go for all players with no offers and/or mostly 1AA offers but only after we had tried and failed with the more talented kids. I think the success is mostly coaching on those player IMO. By the way, I don't want to change your perspective, that's what makes the board fun. Your perspective is fine, no matter how wrong it is . But we should at least try for the more talented kids. Just ask NickSMU17 and Stallion.

[Blvd_Stang]

Listen, I don't think you realize I agree with you. I want kids with more BCS offers. But it's not like our staff is turning down four star kids for zero offer kids. They're doing an amazing job with the hand they were dealt.

It's plain unrealistic and unfair to expect a class full of 3 and 4 star recruits with BCS offers. You can see on rivals and scout, we are going after the best. I remember in the PB era I was happy to see a handful of 3 star recruits on the "prospects" tab. Hell, that whole first page is 4 and 3 star recruits now. AND we're getting some of those kids to commit now. But we will have to win, win and win some more before we get classes full of kids with BCS offers. Until then, June evaluates sleepers that will fit into system and sprinkles them in with the best possible recruits he can get (kids with stars/offers).

When the wins keep on coming on a consistent basis and the students start helping sell out games, we will see TCU style classes. We're rebuilding a program here, and the right way to boot.

I truly get the impression that a lot of you don't appreciate what this staff has done for our program. We were dog sh*t before. People didn't even think we were D1A. Now we are relevant and moving very quickly in the right direction. Rome was not "rebuilt" over night. Kids with more BCS offers comes with wins, not some hidden extra effort that you think they're not giving. Our staff is putting us in a great position, by evaluating sleepers that have become our now starters, to win. Only this will get us the players we want to BCS bust in a couple years.

Pony Up!

[NickSMU17]

We aren't giving 100% because people have said 7-7 and a bowl every year and you are king....

They were right guys at right time...not sure they are anymore...
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We are being out worked...

[One Trick Pony]

Thought that dash was a hair on my screen.

[SMU 86]

Blvd_Stang, I am with you to some degree. And I did look at the list and it seems like Coach Klemm is the one gong after most of the more talented players. I think NickSMU17, MexMustang, and Stallion's point was that the other coaches should be going after more blue chip players. But my point I should have made better is should we be going after this many sleepers (some of which we may have had to run away) at this point in the year? I like sleepers but January would seem to be the time to go after so many IMO, after we have lost out on the more talented kids. I am a bid fan of sleepers by the way. And come on Mitch, you can back off NickSMU17 and Stallion a little. We are just in friendly discussions. It's all good.

[SMU 86]

I think if we want to be BCS busters we better reach for the sky with this class with every coach and then if nothing pans out go for the sleepers in January. At that point I think we can take enough kids that are looking at McNeese St, NW St, and Texas St to full the remaining scholarships but not now IMO.

[Stallion]

When 3/4th of the Texas Crop are 3 stars and above-better be careful what gets you all excited.

[Rebel10]

I like sleepers but January would seem to be the time to go after so many IMO, after we have lost out on the more talented kids.

I concur sir.

[leopold]

Welcome to the overpriced world of 7 and 6

Not when you are handed 0-12.

[Alaric]

Fine you're going to make me do this:

Sterling Moore -- 5 crap 1AA schools
Kyle Padron -- 0 Offers
Taylor Reed -- 0 Offers
Richard Crawford -- 2 1AA offers

Get the point?? Our staff can evaluate talent. Do players with more offers/stars give more talent to the team yes, absolutly. But we've been improving in recruiting every year. And when don't get the stars, our staff does a damn good job at evaluating talent. AND developing talent. That's my perspective through 3+ years experience watchining June and his staff, and there's not a damn thing you can do to change it.

3 of those 4 might make it in the NFL

[Rebel10]

And how many others wouldn't make the scout teams on most colleges. Moot point. Recruiting is also about DEPTH which we don't seem to have much of and not about finding a few players that can go pro or start in college. Not having depth is one of the main the issues SMU is dealing with right now.

[Mexmustang]

Look, just given their cellar conference standings, the instability of their conference, and the obvious snub received during the Pac 16 experiment, we should out recruit Baylor in Texas--and we don't. Not to mention that Baylor is now known as the Texas Tech of private universities in terms of academics.

[Stallion]

I don't think we should necessarily out-recruit Baylor-I just think they shouldn't be able to dominate us in our backyard. And 3 of those 4 will not MAKE IT in the NFL-they will be lucky to ever play a game in the NFL. I think Kyle Padron is the only one who physically projects to the NFL. Moore not fast enough and is an injury questionmark, Reed is 5-11 and not tall enough. Crawford is a real reach but as I said last year after the Tech debacle be patient early in the year and he did improve.