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RSFan wrote:Jones needs a raise to put up with SMU Fans. I say another million at least................................


I really hope you can put that into some context because if Jones was at mid-level BCS school he probably would be pounded into submission a helluva lot worse than than what he's getting from this group.

And if he can't hold up under this extremely limited scrutiny, then he's pretty thin skinned.

Your boy loves the situation where there is no pressure, he can manipulate it to where he's in control, there are no checks and balances and the moment he complains about something, everybody runs to his beckon call.
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RSFan wrote:Jones needs a raise to put up with SMU Fans. I say another million at least................................


Yeah right. How many fire les miles campaigns have there been ay lsu ? Every year they don't go undefeated. Would take the thinnest of thin skins to not be able to handle the "pressure" of SMU fandom.


I think part of the problem is that SMU fans have not been that demanding. JJ gets paid top dollar and while I'm grateful he has brought us back from the dead, we cannot just settle for mediocrity. This football team right now is average and he needs to take us to the next level to be commensurate with the level where he gets paid.


agree. we sucked, were the worst of the worst, but it's not like we've witnessed a Bill Snyder-esque renaissance

tough question: given actual, imagined, and self-imposed challenges, is mediocrity the best SMU can aspire to?
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June isn't even motivated by the money...he is out to prove something to himself, not other people. Quirky? sure with the black shirt and leis, but at a minimum he has been the catalyst of change at SMU, if not the leader. Money is more about pride (probably), recognition and a visible sign of commitment by the university to commit to change.

No question Orsini has been a great partner, but June has done his share of fundraising, culture change and most important holding the administration to its promises--Turner didn't just become the leader of our move to the Big East without pressure of June's supporters on the board and giving our supporters a glimpse of what is possible at SMU. Step back and look at the culture change at SMU. In just four years? Are you people blind? Wake up! These things don't just happen! When was the last time we flagellated in the press over our 20 years + of death penalty?

As far as black jerseys and the mustangs these had more to do with his players preferences than his. He promised his players the black jerseys for one game last year. Players and assistant coaches that were unaware of Peruna's history (most didn't even know SMU actually had ever played football!) and thought a child's pet looked silly. When I was at SMU Peruna's mane was shaved and he looked like a scared rabbit, certainly not a mascot evoking pride and victory.

The wins are coming, the recruits are coming. I dare any of you complainers to show me that there hasn't been constant improvement of both. The first bowl team--a very lucky team in terms of turnovers and even the events that occurred with Nevada's team just prior to the game. They overachieved as the "stars" finally began to makeup for years of being "star-crossed" at SMU. Now that reality has set in use your heads and examine improvement, not simply luck.
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Yeah, look, as much as I hate the funk the team is in and I want June to frickin explain what the hell is going on, or at least show that he cares and demonstrate that he's doing something about it, the bottom line is we are at least, dare I say it, slightly above mediocre. I remember when simply being mediocre would have been my prayer for this team during the Bennett era.

So, I guess I'm in favor of keeping June around a few more years, warts and all, to see what level he can ultimately take the team to. It may not be my way or your way, but if it ultimately gets us where we want to be, great. If it doesn't, hopefully we can at least be slightly above mediocre for a few more years (instead being on the ESPN Bottom 10 week in and week out) before we bring on the next guy.

(Oh, and maybe someone in Dallas who attends the luncheons can actually grow a pair and ask him, "WTF, JUNE!!!" once in a while.)
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So, you guys ready to give June a raise?
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Mustangs_Maroons wrote:
RGV Pony wrote:
RSFan wrote:Jones needs a raise to put up with SMU Fans. I say another million at least................................


Yeah right. How many fire les miles campaigns have there been ay lsu ? Every year they don't go undefeated. Would take the thinnest of thin skins to not be able to handle the "pressure" of SMU fandom.


I think part of the problem is that SMU fans have not been that demanding. JJ gets paid top dollar and while I'm grateful he has brought us back from the dead, we cannot just settle for mediocrity. This football team right now is average and he needs to take us to the next level to be commensurate with the level where he gets paid.


If the pay scale as published above is accurate Jones appears to be in the middle of the scale.
Expectation in the terms of the Jones contract I believe was to "make SMU relevant" again? If so what is your idea of relevant? My point to make money a measurement of expected football wins is ridiculous.

The same old problem is still undermining SMU football. It is overcoming the Death Penalty attitude and mentality that keeps rearing it's ugly head in the team and especially the fans and this board. All those years of whining about how terrible the team and players were has poisoned the privileged SMU fans who seem to revert back to old habits of Team and Player Redicule at the first loss or bad game. Some of the worst, Mitch, has cried because he did not get his way ever since Jones was hired. Constant personal attacks on the KIDS who have been trying to perform to the best of their abilities. Kids should not need Thick Skins to play for SMU or any other college team.

The true supporters of SMU football and progress know the best way to get results from KIDS is to give them unconditional love and support (even if they slip and fall). Support includes going to their games and trying to lift them up when the uglyness of the Death Penalty shows it's head again.

If Jones had listened to the bopsy twins, Mitch and Bongo, there never would have been one bowl game.............................

Jones has brought hope and has focused on teaching the simplicity of how to win and believe they can win, step one. Everything was going good until the UTEP game last year when the culmination of poor QB play demoralized the team and it was a total melt down for the season. This year 5-1, no support, relapse and here we are again.

This team has had enough, they seem to have some fight left but it is going to be delivered to SMU fans not Houston. I don't blame them one bit....
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Some of you guys love to trivialize--minutia is the "hobgoblin" of mediocre minds...hell we would still be fighting the Japanese if you guys had been immigration officers: "Sorry Mr. Einstein, we don't care how many degrees you have, but that hairdo just won't cut it in this country!"
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fans that were at USM & Tulsa as well as the band that was at Tulsa would probably take exception to your "no support" comment..
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Mexmustang wrote:June isn't even motivated by the money...he is out to prove something to himself, not other people. Quirky? sure with the black shirt and leis, but at a minimum he has been the catalyst of change at SMU, if not the leader. Money is more about pride (probably), recognition and a visible sign of commitment by the university to commit to change.

No question Orsini has been a great partner, but June has done his share of fundraising, culture change and most important holding the administration to its promises--Turner didn't just become the leader of our move to the Big East without pressure of June's supporters on the board and giving our supporters a glimpse of what is possible at SMU. Step back and look at the culture change at SMU. In just four years? Are you people blind? Wake up! These things don't just happen! When was the last time we flagellated in the press over our 20 years + of death penalty?

As far as black jerseys and the mustangs these had more to do with his players preferences than his. He promised his players the black jerseys for one game last year. Players and assistant coaches that were unaware of Peruna's history (most didn't even know SMU actually had ever played football!) and thought a child's pet looked silly. When I was at SMU Peruna's mane was shaved and he looked like a scared rabbit, certainly not a mascot evoking pride and victory.

The wins are coming, the recruits are coming. I dare any of you complainers to show me that there hasn't been constant improvement of both. The first bowl team--a very lucky team in terms of turnovers and even the events that occurred with Nevada's team just prior to the game. They overachieved as the "stars" finally began to makeup for years of being "star-crossed" at SMU. Now that reality has set in use your heads and examine improvement, not simply luck.



Mex, some good points. I know you to be a sharp man. I have no doubts that June was THE right man for SMU. What he has done, both on the field and with our culture, is terrific. The groundwork he has solidified is truly amazing.

I could care less about leis or black shirts or... If it helps the kids and/or our coaches to perform at a higher level, I can live just about anything.

So, the wins are coming, the recruits are coming... I think what a lot are asking now, if not for one, maybe two assistant coaches, although the recruits might still come, how thrilled would you be about the ones we get and/or how many would you get that were the caliber needed to move this thing forward?

Wins. We would all like more wins. I can live with losses. What I and I think many struggle with are bad losses. Uninspired, unemotional losses. Physically whipped losses. Getting totally outcoached losses. These things do happen. I can live with the occasional. I get very concerned when I spot what I feel to be a trend and have little confidence that changes will be made. Or that the personnel is in place that wants to make changes, or feels that changes must be made, or is capable of implementing needed changes.

On the subject of personnel; when we had an elite 7 on 7 competition on campus this summer, a laid-at-our-feet opportunity to visit with incredible talent, how many/which coaches deemed it a must to be here and do what they could to take advantage of this gift? I.E., who stood up and demonstrated their level of commitment to the program?

What has been done to date is a blessing. Thank you, June. But, we don't get to stop here. It just gets rougher and more difficult - hello Big East. The question is simple. Do our fans think we have the personnel in place that is right to lead from this point forward? I think they have weighed in with thousands of posts here over the last few weeks.
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RSFan wrote:This year 5-1, no support, relapse and here we are again.

This team has had enough, they seem to have some fight left but it is going to be delivered to SMU fans not Houston. I don't blame them one bit....

Where does this "no support" crap come from? It is not a matter of the fans not supporting them, it is a matter of SMU not having that many fans...yet. The fans that they have are there every game in support of the team. These fans have for the most part been through 25 years of [deleted] poor football, but have remained faithful. Is it an impression the players have because they don't get a full stadium? Then they need to create something college football fans want to watch. It probably won't happen for these players, but eventually, if they consistently produce a good product, more people will become fans and fill the stadium.
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JJ's pay is not middle of the scale. I believe he is the highest-paid coach in a non-AQ conference. Sorry, but that doesn't put him in the middle. In fact, based on what the original poster wrote, he would be the 3rd highest paid coach in the BE. We are SMU with a strong football tradition. Our expectations should be high. That is why our Circle of Champions decided to put their money to support us bringing a top-tier coach. They are compensating him well and to think that a coaches' salary is not correlated to what his performance should be is absolutely crazy. As a football team, we are average to slightly above average. That is not acceptable. Like I said, i'm grateful he brought us back from the dead, but let is not settle for mediocrity. JJ is not getting paid to just make us average. For as much as he's done, his salary certainly doesn't support just average. And for the record, the Boise State and the toads coaches are both paid less than JJ.
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No question that one can be loyal to a fault. I agree that June needs to shed anyone that only supports him verbally and not by doing their job--especially putting out the effort to recruit. Too many are just collecting their benefits assuring that they are covered until Medicare kicks in...
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Mustangs_Maroons wrote:- I believe he is the highest-paid coach in a non-AQ conference

- And for the record, the Boise State and the toads coaches are both paid less than JJ.


Gary Patterson is actually the highest paid Non-AQ coach. He made slightly north of 3mm last year and will make north of 3.25mm this year.
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Hate to say it, but Patterson has earned whatever they pay him.
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FroggieFever wrote:
Mustangs_Maroons wrote:- I believe he is the highest-paid coach in a non-AQ conference

- And for the record, the Boise State and the toads coaches are both paid less than JJ.


Gary Patterson is actually the highest paid Non-AQ coach. He made slightly north of 3mm last year and will make north of 3.25mm this year.


Not sure if that has always been the case but I think for what he has accomplished, he deserves to be the highest paid non-AQ coach.
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