Harrison twins

[hoopmanx]

Exactly! Its laughable to point to the SMU hoops search and say, we can't hire a coach. The reality is that a huge portion of being a successful AD is prospecting the right talent for head coaching positions. Unless it came w/a pedigree of two decades or more, Orsini never showed any ability to target proper candidates and land them w/a competitive salary. The reality is that we never had to be turned down in hoops, whether we hired Brown or 15 other guys who are qualified head coaches. We were turned down b/c our search list was clown shoes.

A fear I have moving forward is how long can a school like SMU, overpay to the point of absurdity? That is a huge portion of Orsini's legacy. The whole he got us Brown/Jones schtick is comical, cause Joe Blow could have gotten those guys w/that loot and a bag full of admin promises.

Honestly, hoops just made a hire, but where is the stability again? Brown is gone in a few and w/him will go Howard, possibly ulric. Hell, Howard only came to SMU cause Brown promised a shot in the NBA in a few years. The stark reality is that inside 3 years(just guessing), we'll have Jank and that's probably it. All of the sudden, the program will start to look and feel like it did pre-Brown, other than some talent that Brown accrued. Not hating on Jank, but IF this was a legit search process centered on up'n'coming coaching talent, he wouldn't have been a top 5 candidate. In essence that's the legacy here, the HCIW.

Sorry that is horse crap...Jenk would have been out of SMU's league after next year if he didn't get picked up this year. His ISU squad would have been right on Creighton's heals in the MVC and would have been in the big dance, ranked in the Top 25 and may have made it to the Sweet 16 and then every major U in need would have been on Jenk. He is a great recruiter in his own right and will be a great HC here at SMU when he gets his shot...he has the skills and wouldn't even sell him short.

That's all speculation, ponyscott. Moore was leaving ISU whether Jank stayed or went. He's always wanted a bigger stage. Beyond that, you can't just predict a MVC team to the Sweet 16, nor can you say his team would have been on Creighton's heels. Last year, Indiana St was supposed to be the head honcho in the Valley, after they won it the year before, and returned everyone. Got them 6th place, I think. If hot coaches from the MVC automatically get picked up by high majors after good season, explain Ben Jacobsen's actual Sweet 16 run two years ago.

He's never been a 'great' head coach, at either UNT or Ill St. Good to very good at times, but not great. Not sure how that expectation can be put on him at SMU etc.

Look, I like the guy and we could have done tons worse, but he's maybe the 3rd or 4th best coach in the MVC

[ponyscott]

And your comments are speculation as well.

[couch 'em]

It is fascinating to me the amount that jones gets bashed on this board. While I think he has a lot of faults, I do think he has changed SMU football for the better. While we should want to take things to the next level, I think we will look back on the Jones era and say what he accomplished put us in a place to return to glory. One thing that I'm curious about, is what type of coach do the Jones haters think we could get now? To me, not much has changed in that regard, it will either be an up and coming assistant or a retread.

That's what they said about basketball

We can get a decent coach. We could have gotten a decent coach in 2008, before June emphatically showed that you can win here. Not to say landing June wasn't awesome...it was, and pretty much everyone at the time thought he was fantastic for what needed to be done. But there were other quality options available at the time, just as there will be other quality options available when Mr. Jones retires, or takes another job. This place isn't the zenith of the college football coaching industry - duh - that's pretty obvious, and there are certainly obstacles here that aren't present at some other schools, but as long as the financial commitment is there and the alumni bankrolling such a significant percentage of things on campus want to be competitive, there will be quality football candidates available.

There were also quality hoops candidates available. Simply because the ones running the search made it look like a clown show and were ridiculed nationally basically every day doesn't mean this is some cesspool, decrepit graveyard where no one will coach unless we bribe them into professional failure in exchange for financial stability. It's not perfect, and there's still a lot of work to do, but this isn't NJIT...you just have to have a guy in place who will actually call the right people.

I was.citing basketball to show there ARE quality coaches that will come here....

[PonyKai]

I know, I thought about that and realized by grabbing the whole "convo" it might look like I was slamming you. My bad, I wasn't. It was really just addressing Dwan's post.