I think I understand what the issue is with Gilbert

[JasonB]

Brees is one of the most accurate passers in football history. If you watch his release:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tVoqA-LKGb4

it is incredibly compact. Really accurate QBs int he NFL have a release point that is between the earhole and the top of their helmet. They can whip the ball out quickly and accurately.

With Gilbert, you see more of a deliberate windup. The ball comes out almost at the angle of a cricket player, straight over the top of his head. In order to provide balance with the vertical spacing of his throws, he has to really step into the throw and add length with his body.

The lower the release point, the less you have to step into a pass in order to provide balance, and therefore accuracy. This is why Brees isn't reliant on a large step, and taking it a step further, is why a sidearmer like Kosar was able to flick the ball around with minimal effort and almost no step.

What does this mean? Well in practice, with no rush and a perfect pocket, your accuracy is perfect. You have the timing and the room in a pocket to be able to make a large step forward, balance the body, and get away with a tall release point. If you watch practice, you see his accuracy down the field is uncanny. If there are any passes he is inconsistant on, it is the short pass. Which makes sense because on a short pass, with a high release point, there are really weird angles going on, which makes accuracy difficult.

This all explains why his accuracy is not very good in the games. If you have to move out to your left or right a little bit, you can't step into the ball as much. because of his high release point, it impacts his accuracy and makes the ball drift (in his case, the ball drifts left to right mostly).

Interestingly enough, check out some of this highlight video of his high school career:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=EHwBirQRVBc

Much quicker release, shorter step, lower release point, and more accurate passes. That make me believe that his current motion may be due to the need to add strength to his throws after the surgery. So it is something that may be correctable for next year, but may not change for this season.

Disclaimer: these are just my rambling thoughts. I may be off base on this. And I absolutely don't blame Jones on sticking with the guy. If you ever meet GG you will want him to succeed. And anyone who crams 27 hours into one semester so that he can come play for your program deserves an extended look.

[Comet]

Great analysis, in fact I noticed his ridiculous wind up for a mere 15 yard pass today. I was thinking how long of a wind up it was for such short of a pass.

[Mexmustang]

Can't personally add anything to the conversation. But, I was watching and listening to the UTEP announcers that kept saying he was throwing off his back foot all night.

[shadowman]

We just gotta hope, he is slowly learning and getting better.

Even though we would like to hope, there is not a better option on the bench...Gilbert has to keep improving and we need to keep giving him the ball.

I am a big June critic, but I actually think it is the right move to let Gilbert take every snap, even in blowouts. Gilbert needs that mindset that, for better or worse, he is our QB and he has no fear to look over his shoulder.

[SMU 86]

I thought June liked a high release point. Tom Brady does not sling it slide armed and does well so does Peyton Manning. Release point may not be the issue imo. But the teams we play are not that good for the most part so he probably will get better.

[westexSMU]

He was horrible again at over throwing and under throwing WRs wide open except for the one 50 yard 2nd. quarter TD Pass.

[JasonB]

I thought June liked a high release point. Tom Brady does not sling it slide armed and does well so does Peyton Manning. Release point may not be the issue imo. But the teams we play are not that good for the most part so he probably will get better.

the kosar reference was just to understand the concept of balance... Brady and Manning both have fantastic releases, but Garrett's is very, very high, much higher than those, which is why his release is slow and his step extended.

[ghost]

Let's see now...his dad played qb in the NFL. He was the #1 QB coming out of high school. The problem seems to be a coach that can mold all that physical talent and keep working on the mental aspects of the game today........not 20 or 30 years ago. That position is ever-evolving and so important to any teams success. If you have a mentor who is cutting edge then you will be successfull. Same way with the receivers too although several are having more success making nfl rosters so go figure.

[SMU 86]

I thought June liked a high release point. Tom Brady does not sling it slide armed and does well so does Peyton Manning. Release point may not be the issue imo. But the teams we play are not that good for the most part so he probably will get better.

the kosar reference was just to understand the concept of balance... Brady and Manning both have fantastic releases, but Garrett's is very, very high, much higher than those, which is why his release is slow and his step extended.

His release point is not higher than Manning's and is about the same as Brady's.

[SMU 86]

Let's see now...his dad played qb in the NFL. He was the #1 QB coming out of high school. The problem seems to be a coach that can mold all that physical talent and keep working on the mental aspects of the game today........not 20 or 30 years ago. That position is ever-evolving and so important to any teams success. If you have a mentor who is cutting edge then you will be successfull. Same way with the receivers too although several are having more success making nfl rosters so go figure.

Wr's and QB will do better this week.

[fornaxqt]

And anyone who crams 27 hours into one semester so that he can come play for your program deserves an extended look.

Exactly!!!!

[PonyPlayer4]

When dissecting a QB, an over the top release would rarely be considered a bad thing. However, it needs to be done with a quick and compact motion. It has been said before, but the main thing GG needs to work on is his touch. No reason to rifle a ball at an open receiver 7 yards in front of you.

[Mustangsabu]

I think JJ addressed this, that as Gilbert gets more comfortable he is using more touch. I certainly saw a lot more touch on the passes on Saturday.

[JasonB]

I thought June liked a high release point. Tom Brady does not sling it slide armed and does well so does Peyton Manning. Release point may not be the issue imo. But the teams we play are not that good for the most part so he probably will get better.

the kosar reference was just to understand the concept of balance... Brady and Manning both have fantastic releases, but Garrett's is very, very high, much higher than those, which is why his release is slow and his step extended.

His release point is not higher than Manning's and is about the same as Brady's.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0Hr6CVURWpU

Definitely is higher than mannings. Sometimes manning goes a little out to the side, sometimes over the top, but when over the top the release point is rarely over the crown of the helmet.

[Mexmustang]

I mentioned the UTEP announcers earlier. It seems like they were really rooting for Gilbert. I think alot of people, not just SMU fans, hope he can get some traction and figure things out.