Let's just be clear about one thing

[East Coast Mustang]

All we can sell is education.

Not true. We need to sell DALLAS the city as a place to spend four years. It's a hell of a lot better than Waco, Ft. Worth, Lubbock, etc.

[Mustangsabu]

All we can sell is education.

Not true. We need to sell DALLAS the city as a place to spend four years. It's a hell of a lot better than Waco, Ft. Worth, Lubbock, etc.

Fort Worth is a great city. Thankfully close enough to allow me to live here and enjoy my Ponies.

[sbsmith]

Recruiting would be so much easier if we could put some STUDENTS and FANS in the stadium. All we can sell is education. I have great respect for our players and only wish them the best.

Recruiting would be so much easier if we actually had a staff that knew how to recruit (see SMU basketball).

[East Coast Mustang]

All we can sell is education.

Not true. We need to sell DALLAS the city as a place to spend four years. It's a hell of a lot better than Waco, Ft. Worth, Lubbock, etc.

Fort Worth is a great city. Thankfully close enough to allow me to live here and enjoy my Ponies.

If you're an 18 year old African-American male, I think Dallas would have a lot more to offer than Ft. Worth. Maybe I'm wrong though

[Mustangsabu]

[quote="ponynut"]All we can sell is education.

Not true. We need to sell DALLAS the city as a place to spend four years. It's a hell of a lot better than Waco, Ft. Worth, Lubbock, etc.

Fort Worth is a great city. Thankfully close enough to allow me to live here and enjoy my Ponies.

If you're an 18 year old African-American male, I think Dallas would have a lot more to offer than Ft. Worth. Maybe I'm wrong though[/quote]

Well I live on the East side... They wouldn't be lonely.... But you are right on that. Dallas has more to offer the target audience I'd say.

[Rebel10]

If you're an 18 year old African-American male, I think Dallas would have a lot more to offer than Ft. Worth. Maybe I'm wrong though

Which college campus would he fit in more? Just askin'.

[couch 'em]

The players on the field and the sidelines for SMU didn't appear as if from nowhere. They were recruited. By June's staff. Now, I know that rather than support those players we have chosen to lay siege to our HC because those players do not represent the sort of "recruiting" we want to see, so let's just make our positions clear.

June came here thinking that top tier talent was going to knock on his door. This has not been the case. Part of that was that June figured that he would turn the program around, the stadium would fill up and there would be something to sell to the recruits that were banging down said door. This has also not been the case. The program did turn around but the top tier recruits didn't come knocking.

However, if we had a different coach, the top tier talent that was not knocking on the door before, will decide that they would rather come here than the top tier programs they have been offered by, whose doors they probably were knocking on.

I'm not saying it isn't possible. And Klemm is credited with some higher level recruiting, though it is imperative that JJ not be given any credit for hiring Klemm and facilitating that recruiting. I'm just saying that the position of the "Recruiting Lynch Mob" is that another coach will get the players here to take us to the next level. And that is the whole sum total of their argument. But the truth is we have no idea what will happen. They are uncharted waters. We hire a coach who recruits like a maniac and we wait 4-5 years for his team to mature and gel, and discover if a) he can actually coach and b) whether the talent was actually top tier. And it might work out great. Might. But people would much rather that than keep a coach who has proved that he makes players better, has a proven track record, has strong ties to the next level which is at least a carrot to dangle in front of recruits, and who has a system that will level the playing field while the team develops, even if it is only by beating nobodies at home. People pretend that if JJ sees out his contract we will be in no-man's land with the cupboard bare and misery reigning. Where is the actual, tangible evidence of that? A 42-13 loss to ATM and it's Heisman winning QB?

So many people are so sure of their justification and so enamored with their own understanding of college football that they are not even prepared to wait until the end of the season to measure where we are as a program, which is, by the way, the way any program in the country approaches the evaluation of a football program. I don't believe a single HC has been fired yet this season in D1 football. But we should be the first, of course.

But back to the original point. We have an entire roster of players recruited by this staff, enrolled at our university and a large segment of the fanbase apparently wants them to fail so they can fuel the tiki-torches for the posse....

Yeah, I'm not sure Saban could save this program from its own fans.....

Has anyone met this guy? He sounds like one of the relative-of-a-coach tyoes that were Bennett diehards and disappeared from the board the day he was fired.

[Mustangsabu]

The players on the field and the sidelines for SMU didn't appear as if from nowhere. They were recruited. By June's staff. Now, I know that rather than support those players we have chosen to lay siege to our HC because those players do not represent the sort of "recruiting" we want to see, so let's just make our positions clear.

June came here thinking that top tier talent was going to knock on his door. This has not been the case. Part of that was that June figured that he would turn the program around, the stadium would fill up and there would be something to sell to the recruits that were banging down said door. This has also not been the case. The program did turn around but the top tier recruits didn't come knocking.

However, if we had a different coach, the top tier talent that was not knocking on the door before, will decide that they would rather come here than the top tier programs they have been offered by, whose doors they probably were knocking on.

I'm not saying it isn't possible. And Klemm is credited with some higher level recruiting, though it is imperative that JJ not be given any credit for hiring Klemm and facilitating that recruiting. I'm just saying that the position of the "Recruiting Lynch Mob" is that another coach will get the players here to take us to the next level. And that is the whole sum total of their argument. But the truth is we have no idea what will happen. They are uncharted waters. We hire a coach who recruits like a maniac and we wait 4-5 years for his team to mature and gel, and discover if a) he can actually coach and b) whether the talent was actually top tier. And it might work out great. Might. But people would much rather that than keep a coach who has proved that he makes players better, has a proven track record, has strong ties to the next level which is at least a carrot to dangle in front of recruits, and who has a system that will level the playing field while the team develops, even if it is only by beating nobodies at home. People pretend that if JJ sees out his contract we will be in no-man's land with the cupboard bare and misery reigning. Where is the actual, tangible evidence of that? A 42-13 loss to ATM and it's Heisman winning QB?

So many people are so sure of their justification and so enamored with their own understanding of college football that they are not even prepared to wait until the end of the season to measure where we are as a program, which is, by the way, the way any program in the country approaches the evaluation of a football program. I don't believe a single HC has been fired yet this season in D1 football. But we should be the first, of course.

But back to the original point. We have an entire roster of players recruited by this staff, enrolled at our university and a large segment of the fanbase apparently wants them to fail so they can fuel the tiki-torches for the posse....

Yeah, I'm not sure Saban could save this program from its own fans.....

Has anyone met this guy? He sounds like one of the relative-of-a-coach tyoes that were Bennett diehards and disappeared from the board the day he was fired.

If you ever want to grab a pint and talk SMU, just give me a shout.

[ponyboy]

Has anyone met this guy? He sounds like one of the relative-of-a-coach tyoes that were Bennett diehards and disappeared from the board the day he was fired.

That's the kind of thing people say when their cherished preconceptions are challenged by a friendly, smart person with a firm grasp of reality.

[East Coast Mustang]

Yeah, he joined in 2007. I bet he's a relative of a coach on the JJ staff which wasn't hired until 2008

[Stallion]

where's bigdaddy? Justin Willis' relative. He was always fun when he got excited. You can also tell the 4 year Mustang Fans. Just for fun-do we have any close relatives on the board of players say pre 2008?

[Mustangsabu]

where's bigdaddy? Justin Willis' relative. He was always fun when he got excited. You can also tell the 4 year Mustang Fans. Just for fun-do we have any close relatives on the board of players say pre 2008?

The invitation is open to all. I'll even buy the first round!

[ponyinNC]

where's bigdaddy? Justin Willis' relative. He was always fun when he got excited. You can also tell the 4 year Mustang Fans. Just for fun-do we have any close relatives on the board of players say pre 2008?

The invitation is open to all. I'll even buy the first round!

I'll be in town for the Rutgers gamem - any my pint of choice is Chimay!

[couch 'em]

Has anyone met this guy? He sounds like one of the relative-of-a-coach tyoes that were Bennett diehards and disappeared from the board the day he was fired.

That's the kind of thing people say when their cherished preconceptions are challenged by a friendly, smart person with a firm grasp of reality.

Friendly, yes, smart, no doubt given the pony pedigree, grasp of reality? Not on this issue though his intentions are right.

May have to take him up on the beer and see if he knows any of my potato famine great great grandfather's family that stayed behind. Could be cousins.

[Mustangsabu]

where's bigdaddy? Justin Willis' relative. He was always fun when he got excited. You can also tell the 4 year Mustang Fans. Just for fun-do we have any close relatives on the board of players say pre 2008?

The invitation is open to all. I'll even buy the first round!

I'll be in town for the Rutgers gamem - any my pint of choice is Chimay!

I assume you will be drinking Chimay Blue in keeping with the jerseys...