Football Recruiting

[sbsmith]

One can question JJ and his recruiting philosophy, and perhaps the post was made in jest, but one cannot question June's work ethic. No one puts in the hours that June does.

One can certainly question the results of June's work ethic. If others aren't putting in as many hours as June but are getting better results then they're working a lot smarter than him.

[Mustangsabu]

I know for a fact that June is in the office before 5am every day and that no coach ever beats him in.

Often on this board I give opinion. But I don't ever make up facts, no matter how convenient they may be.

I'll say it again, one can question his recruiting philosophy, but I would suggest that those who question his work ethic are doing so out of frustration, spite and ignorance.

[smusic 00]

But doesn't practice start at 7? So that makes sense that he shows up a couple hours before.

[Mustangsabu]

One can question JJ and his recruiting philosophy, and perhaps the post was made in jest, but one cannot question June's work ethic. No one puts in the hours that June does.

One can certainly question the results of June's work ethic. If others aren't putting in as many hours as June but are getting better results then they're working a lot smarter than him.

The work ethic that June practices and preaches has been cited I believe by many of the players now playing on Sunday. And by others around the NFL. I find it derisory that people on Ponyfans have the arrogance to believe that they know more about June than the players he coaches, his colleagues in the coaching realms and the players he played with during his career.

Again, I do not like everything that June says or does, and I believe his system has pitfalls, but I have always found first hand testimony to be more credible than internet Chitter-chatter.

[SMU 86]

I know for a fact that June is in the office before 5am every day and that no coach ever beats him in.

Often on this board I give opinion. But I don't ever make up facts, no matter how convenient they may be.

I'll say it again, one can question his recruiting philosophy, but I would suggest that those who question his work ethic are doing so out of frustration, spite and ignorance.

The statement you made was he works longer hours than anyone else. Everyone on the board knows he has early practices. But Reb may want to know how many hours does he work during the day not when he gets in to work? Not trying to be mean or nasty but I just wanted to know also. Also how many hours during the off season and regular season does he put into recruiting?

[Mustangsabu]

And those are questions that I do not know the answer to. Practice starts at 7am so yes, it's an early start in any case (I couldn't do it). I still say that June being in by 5 and always being the first in the office is tangible evidence that he works hard and that he cares. I believe if flies in the face of the malicious accusations that he is merely picking up a paycheck.

[Mustangsabu]

And on the point of how much time June (and his staff) put into recruiting, I couldn't tell you that either. But I certainly wouldn't feel right claiming it was a lot, or a little. I have no idea what recruiting needs in terms of time. Perhaps some of the recruiting aficionados on ponyfans can enlighten me. How many hours does Nick Saban spend a day or a week on recruiting? I'd genuinely like to know. Certainly if I'm going to have to read about how Junes "doesn't" recruit.

[Rebel10]

It's all good Abu. It's just I do not think anyone knows how many hours the men's soccer coach, women soccer coach, volleyball coach, men's basketball coach or women's basketball coach puts in so to say June puts in more hours than they do would kind of unfair to them. For all we know they could be putting in more hours than June. But I think the football team can beat a Temple team this Saturday.

[blackoutpony]

And those are questions that I do not know the answer to. Practice starts at 7am so yes, it's an early start in any case (I couldn't do it). I still say that June being in by 5 and always being the first in the office is tangible evidence that he works hard and that he cares. I believe if flies in the face of the malicious accusations that he is merely picking up a paycheck.

It's not hard to beat everyone there when the rest of his coaching staff is being bused in from the retirement home

[PK]

One can question JJ and his recruiting philosophy, and perhaps the post was made in jest, but one cannot question June's work ethic. No one puts in the hours that June does.

Really...no one...? Source of that little tidbit of info please.

[Lebanese4Life]

Abu, if you subscribed to one of the pay sites like rivals or scout you'd read weekly interviews from kids talking about how SMU has stopped talking to them or how they have fell out of touch with the staff and as a result have crossed them off their list. These stories are frequent and are absolutely unacceptable and it serves as evidence to the apathetic views June has on recruiting. I for one can't wait till he leaves SMU cause only then will we recruit better and become more competitive. it's been said hundreds of times on here, recruiting (talent) is the key factor in college football success.

[Mustangsabu]

Abu, if you subscribed to one of the pay sites like rivals or scout you'd read weekly interviews from kids talking about how SMU has stopped talking to them or how they have fell out of touch with the staff and as a result have crossed them off their list. These stories are frequent and are absolutely unacceptable and it serves as evidence to the apathetic views June has on recruiting. I for one can't wait till he leaves SMU cause only then will we recruit better and become more competitive. it's been said hundreds of times on here, recruiting (talent) is the key factor in college football success.

I fully understand the recruiting argument and serious questions have been raised. That said, I read those stories and assume for some reason the staff no longer wanted to recruit those particular kids. Whether that is wise or not is a separate issue, but the fact that our staff fail to follow up or stay in contact with a kid does not lead to only one conclusion.

I would point out that our classes are always full so obviously there are numerous kids that the staff does stay on top of.

[Rebel10]

Abu, if you subscribed to one of the pay sites like rivals or scout you'd read weekly interviews from kids talking about how SMU has stopped talking to them or how they have fell out of touch with the staff and as a result have crossed them off their list. These stories are frequent and are absolutely unacceptable and it serves as evidence to the apathetic views June has on recruiting. I for one can't wait till he leaves SMU cause only then will we recruit better and become more competitive. it's been said hundreds of times on here, recruiting (talent) is the key factor in college football success.

I fully understand the recruiting argument and serious questions have been raised. That said, I read those stories and assume for some reason the staff no longer wanted to recruit those particular kids. Whether that is wise or not is a separate issue, but the fact that our staff fail to follow up or stay in contact with a kid does not lead to only one conclusion.

I would point out that our classes are always full so obviously there are numerous kids that the staff does stay on top of.

Most of the time our classes are not full when these kids say this. In fact even some kids that were committed even say this. If you actually subscribed you would know that. What site(s) do you allegedly subscribe?

[Mustangsabu]

Abu, if you subscribed to one of the pay sites like rivals or scout you'd read weekly interviews from kids talking about how SMU has stopped talking to them or how they have fell out of touch with the staff and as a result have crossed them off their list. These stories are frequent and are absolutely unacceptable and it serves as evidence to the apathetic views June has on recruiting. I for one can't wait till he leaves SMU cause only then will we recruit better and become more competitive. it's been said hundreds of times on here, recruiting (talent) is the key factor in college football success.

I fully understand the recruiting argument and serious questions have been raised. That said, I read those stories and assume for some reason the staff no longer wanted to recruit those particular kids. Whether that is wise or not is a separate issue, but the fact that our staff fail to follow up or stay in contact with a kid does not lead to only one conclusion.

I would point out that our classes are always full so obviously there are numerous kids that the staff does stay on top of.

Most of the time our classes are not full when these kids say this. In fact even some kids that were committed even say this. If you actually subscribed you would know that. What site(s) do you allegedly subscribe?

I assume you are asking what sites I allegedly subscribe to. Who is making the allegation?

I don't subscribe to any "recruiting" sites. I have done in the past but I found it to be truly pointless. And as a result you may claim that I have no right to question the attacks on the recruiting efforts of June and his staff. I simply don't believe that it tells anything close to a complete story. For one thing, the "journalism" is wholly self serving. I have no interest in that.

[Rebel10]

You said that you have read the stories on the recruiting sites when L4L asked you. Okay so you did not read their articles and have no idea what the total articles said. Some really good stuff on Rivals now that is not over here for anyone other than Abu that is interested.