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[Dooby]

JT's pissed because while he was at SMU, two of his homecoming games were F'ing soccer games. I don't blame him. He's not saying nobody else was or is cheating. He is saying it doesn't matter. Fact of the matter is that there is not a damn thing anybody can do about it now. SMU got the death penalty and nobody else did or ever will again. [deleted] about how unfair it is accomplishes nothing. For whatever transgressions there were, we have paid our debts. Time to shut up and concentrate on winning.

[EastStang]

Yeah, we need to move on, the problem is that our recruiting targets are getting bought and paid for by certain schools north, south, east and west of us. Like BUS I want big men, but we can't buy them, others can and do. We paid our debt, but we still have to remain purer than everyone else because of that DP stigma. Even the slightest rules violation would bring the NCAA Gestapo out again. That creates a competitive disadvantage that we will always be struggling to overcome. Can we do it? Yes, because SMU has a lot to offer a student. But it would sure help if those pin heads at the NCAA would do their jobs and really nail one of the larger programs. By the way I see that they have their sights set on a real big target now, Florida A&M.

[jtstang]

That creates a competitive disadvantage that we will always be struggling to overcome. Can we do it? Yes, because SMU has a lot to offer a student. But it would sure help if those pin heads at the NCAA would do their jobs and really nail one of the larger programs.

What does it matter to SMU if the NCAA nails a "larger program"? SMU has not in a very long time nor will it ever again compete on the level of UT, A&M, et al for bowl bids, conference affiliations, or recruits. If our "recrutiing targets" are thes same as those schools we are doomed to failure in any event. We need to worry about not finishing dead last in C-USA, a feat that will keep us in the running for C-USA caliber recruits with our conference brethren. Whatever the NCAA does to a "larger program" will have no bearing on this situation.

[SWC2010]

Whatever the NCAA does to a "larger program" will have no bearing on this situation.

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You disappoint me, JT. Again, you are absolutely wrong. 17-18 yr olds are easily influenced. When (not if) other programs get away with cheating it ONLY helps their program. And it has complete bearing on the SMU situation and recruiting.

Ohio State has been caught cheating in multiple sports: grade changes, $$$, cars, etc. But nothing happens. People die @ Baylor (with a coaches attempted cover-up) & virtually nothing happens.

The latest: Lou Holtz @ SCar. is caught & he's being interviewed about how sad "his" legacy will be. Sitting there on ESPN with his "Mr. Magoo" glasses looking for sympathy-- he cheated & nothing of consequence will happen.

The Top 25 schools knows they can lie, cheat, & steal to get players. New tougher compliance is needed to get the recruiting "playing field" a little more equitable.

You like to bi$ch about the competitive level of SMU FB, but you don't want to address the issues the FB staff face everyday they walk onto a HS campus.

[jtstang]

You disappoint me, JT. Again, you are absolutely wrong. 17-18 yr olds are easily influenced. When (not if) other programs get away with cheating it ONLY helps their program. And it has complete bearing on the SMU situation and recruiting.

No, my friend it is you who are wrong. As I said before, SMU has not in a very long time nor will it ever again compete on the level of the caliber of schools you are talking about for bowl bids, conference affiliations, or recruits. We are a second tier school in a second tier conference. That is our lot in life, so get used to it. Period.

[EastStang]

If that's the case JT, then go to 1-AA cut the scholarships down to 60. That creates room to add men's track back to the roster of sports. The fact is that programs buy players with impunity knowing that at worst they will lose a couple of scholarships, campus visits and maybe a bowl invite. They know that all they have to do is starting crying when they get caught, throw the coach and some rich booster slob under the bus, and swear they'll be good.

[jtstang]

If that's the case JT, then go to 1-AA cut the scholarships down to 60.

No, I think the better solution is to try to be the best second tier D-1 team we can be in our second tier D-1 conference. We are not competing with Texas anymore, we are competing with Tulane. We can win that battle, I think, eventually. That could end with us winning a conference championship someday, and a bowl invite. That's what we need to be concentrating on, not hoping Texas gets the death penalty so we have a better shot at landing blue-chip QB Billy Joe Gunslinger over Oklahoma, who is recruiting him also. That's not going to happen.

And with perhaps a couple of exceptions, ND and BYU come to mind, I do not think you'll see any small private schools who are not already in a BCS conference get invited to one in the future. So hoping the big boys get the DP to give us a mythical shot at that is hopeless as well.

[EastStang]

Perhaps I misread the meaning of your earlier post in that you inferred that we would never again compete for bowl bids and then in your recent post you say we can compete for bowl bids. I assume your context was that we will never compete with the A&M's and UT's for bowl bids, but that we can compete for bowl bids against the likes of Tulane, UTEP, Rice, Houston, Marshall, etc. I agree with you that we will have to try and be the biggest fish in our relatively less significant pond. But, that doesn't stop me from wishing that the NCAA would get real with the likes of UT, OU, A&M and those other Division 1-A cesspools who call themselves amateur football.

[jtstang]

But, that doesn't stop me from wishing that the NCAA would get real with the likes of UT, OU, A&M and those other Division 1-A cesspools who call themselves amateur football.

And that's where we just part ways. I don't care what happens to them, only to SMU, and whatever happens to them will have no effect on SMU.

And in fairness, I should have been more clear in that we will never compete for the kinds of BCS bowl bids those teams do. I hope that someday, hopefully in my lifetime, SMU will become competitive enough to compete for the CUSA title and whatever bowl that leads to. I do not see it on the horizon, but I do hope.

[PK]

And that's where we just part ways. I don't care what happens to them, only to SMU, and whatever happens to them will have no effect on SMU.

And that is where I must disagree with you jt. What happens to the BCS teams that continue to cheat affects not only SMU, but every other second tier school. Proper NCAA sanctions against those guys would affect their recruiting which has the potential of affecting our recruiting in a positive way.

[SMU Football Blog]

And that's where we just part ways. I don't care what happens to them, only to SMU, and whatever happens to them will have no effect on SMU.

And that is where I must disagree with you jt. What happens to the BCS teams that continue to cheat affects not only SMU, but every other second tier school. Proper NCAA sanctions against those guys would affect their recruiting which has the potential of affecting our recruiting in a positive way.

Though you do not say it directly, you seem to insinuate that non-BCS schools don't cheat. If you think that is the case, you are terribly mistaken.

[jtstang]

Proper NCAA sanctions against those guys would affect their recruiting which has the potential of affecting our recruiting in a positive way.

I disagree, PK. If bluechip WR Ronnie Joe Catchall can't go to UT, he'll go to OU or UCLA or elsewhere, he's not really looking at SMU. I'm sure there are exceptions to the rule, but I haven't seen them coming to SMU in a very long time.

[PK]

There are only so many spaces available. Regardless, it still has the POTENTIAL to help. I didn't say it would, but it could. There is a difference. We cannot afford to ever cheat again...nor should we, but neither should any of the others. All the other posters have been doing is pointing out the inconsistacy in the NCAA's selective inforcement policies. No one has ever said we didn't deserve what we got...only that we should not be the Lone Ranger out there. We are always introduced as the only team to ever receive the DP as if no one else ever deserved it... which is a crock.

[jtstang]

There are only so many spaces available. Regardless, it still has the POTENTIAL to help. I didn't say it would, but it could. There is a difference. We cannot afford to ever cheat again...nor should we, but neither should any of the others. All the other posters have been doing is pointing out the inconsistacy in the NCAA's selective inforcement policies. No one has ever said we didn't deserve what we got...only that we should not be the Lone Ranger out there. We are always introduced as the only team to ever receive the DP as if no one else ever deserved it... which is a crock.

PK, potential is nothing until it becomes reality, and the reality is that SMU does not compete for the same kids as UT and OU.

The difference between you and me is that I don't give a rat's @ss about what the other teams are doing and whether or not they deserved the death penalty. I cannot say what is a crock or not because I have not examined the other cases, nor do I care to. I know what I know about the SMU case, which was particularly egregious in its sheer arrogance. The only team who ever GOT it was SMU and, as you acknowledge, we definitely deserved it.

This is becoming a tiresome issue, I say we move on to the next topic.

[PK]

This is becoming a tiresome issue, I say we move on to the next topic.

So true...but then you are the one who brought it up with the second post in this thread.