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Re: JJ said he had leverage against SMU on contract negotiat

Postby SMU1523 » Sat Dec 07, 2013 4:31 pm

IMHO, June has a point. I do believe SMU needs to show greater commitment to the football program and it is a joke we don't have an IPF. We did lose recruits to stringent admissions standards over the years.

I don't think June has met expectations, but I don't think he ever had the full support of the administration during his entire time on the Hilltop. I am not saying he should be our coach in the future because I would take a chance on Chad Morris. Nonetheless, whoever is the coach of SMU needs 110% of administration support. Mediocrity in College Football gets you no where!
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Re: JJ said he had leverage against SMU on contract negotiat

Postby Rebel10 » Sat Dec 07, 2013 4:33 pm

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gostangs wrote:Than we should say we won't sign it period. Offer withdrawn. And then the day after he resigns announce the IPF.


Yes!



ASU withdraw their offer from JJ so I would think SMU could do the same.
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Re: JJ said he had leverage against SMU on contract negotiat

Postby Rebel10 » Sat Dec 07, 2013 4:35 pm

SMU1523 wrote: We did lose recruits to stringent admissions standards over the years.


What major recruits did we lose over the years due to stringent admissions and what school did they end up going to?
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Re: JJ said he had leverage against SMU on contract negotiat

Postby SMU1523 » Sat Dec 07, 2013 4:36 pm

With my defense of June, I would also like to say that I would have fired his [deleted] after the ASU disaster. I think that event is what has hurt SMU football more than anything in the past 5 years.

Firing June after that incident and hiring Chad Morris would have made us look strong and committed to football. That stunt was a blatant slap in the face!
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Re: JJ said he had leverage against SMU on contract negotiat

Postby Charleston Pony » Sat Dec 07, 2013 4:38 pm

ebrooks11 wrote:Did JJ ruin Popes' chance at playing at the next level by never using him as a running back. In very limited playing time he looked like an Alfred Morris type back. He looked extremely fast and shifty.



or did he give him some looks as a RB late in the season because the NFL guys won't look at him as a LB but might as a RB? Bash JJ all you want but the guy is well respected in NFL circles and we've had plenty of guys get looks BECAUSE of JJ. Look at what he did a couple of years ago with Taylor Thompson...played some TE late in his senior season and that's where he is in the NFL. Like Griese said today...he's telling NFL guys they need to take a hard look at Gilbert (when many had soured on him after a disappointing time at Texas)
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Re: JJ said he had leverage against SMU on contract negotiat

Postby ebrooks11 » Sat Dec 07, 2013 4:39 pm

SMU 86 wrote:
alyssa wrote:I was told that the TV guys made it sound like if SMU didn't have JJ come back then SMU is not "serious" about football.



I think they may have used the term not "committed" as opposed to not "serious." I could be wrong though.

pretty sure they mean the same
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Re: JJ said he had leverage against SMU on contract negotiat

Postby SMU1523 » Sat Dec 07, 2013 4:40 pm

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SMU1523 wrote: We did lose recruits to stringent admissions standards over the years.


What major recruits did we lose over the years due to stringent admissions and what school did they end up going to?


http://rivals.yahoo.com/smu/football/recruiting/player-Davon-Moreland-106438

I can't remember why he didn't work out. He might be a good example.
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Re: JJ said he had leverage against SMU on contract negotiat

Postby gostangs » Sat Dec 07, 2013 4:42 pm

Not sure why you don't think the administration has not been supportive They changed admission requirements, renovated the weight room. Moved lights, gave his staff raises at his request - twice. They have done virtually everything he has asked. It has been a team effort.

Meanwhile he has worn leis to our games, forced really bad Hawaiian singers on us, shuned all school traditions (and colors) added two stupid horses to the sidelines, whined about everything, and blown off his primary responsibility as a college coach - to recruit. Oh, and there is also that little thing about being the highest paid non BCS coach for most of that period.

We have done well with him being here, but so has he. Time for the next chapter.
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Re: JJ said he had leverage against SMU on contract negotiat

Postby Rebel10 » Sat Dec 07, 2013 4:43 pm

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SMU1523 wrote: We did lose recruits to stringent admissions standards over the years.


What major recruits did we lose over the years due to stringent admissions and what school did they end up going to?


http://rivals.yahoo.com/smu/football/recruiting/player-Davon-Moreland-106438

I can't remember why he didn't work out. He might be a good example.


He never enrolled anywhere because he did not pass the NCAA clearinghouse. That was not on SMU's stringent requirements. That was the NCAA's requirements. If you look at Frazier you will see that if they pass clearinghouse that they are okay with SMU.
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Re: JJ said he had leverage against SMU on contract negotiat

Postby mt327 » Sat Dec 07, 2013 4:44 pm

Davon Moreland never met NCAA requirements and never played anywhere at the D-1 level.
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Re: JJ said he had leverage against SMU on contract negotiat

Postby Rebel10 » Sat Dec 07, 2013 4:45 pm

gostangs wrote:Not sure why you don't think the administration has not been supported. They changed admission requirements, renovated the weight room. Moved lights, gave his staff raises at his request - twice. They have done virtually everything he has asked. It has been a team effort.

Meanwhile he has worn leis to our games, forced really bad Hawaiian singers on us, shuned all school traditions (and colors) added two stupid horses to the sidelines, whined about everything, and blown off his primary responsibility as a college coach - to recruit. Oh, and there is also that little thing about being the highest paid non BCS coach for most of that period.

We have done well with him being here, but so has he. Time for the next chapter.


And would have broken ground on an IPF(a coule of ears ago) but JJ said that he did like the location of it since it was going to be put across the street.
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Re: JJ said he had leverage against SMU on contract negotiat

Postby stc9 » Sat Dec 07, 2013 4:45 pm

I have a serious question about this. I have never in my life heard about any business offer that doesn't have some sort of expiration. I am blown away (and this is the second time) that SMU has given an open ended offer. I have heard of coaches not wanting to negotiate or discuss their contract situation with their school/team during the season, but never just put their offer in the pocket for 6 months (twice). Every job offer I have ever gotten needed a response with 72 hours. I don't know why SMU allows this to happen. Demanding a somewhat timely answer is not unreasonable.
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Re: JJ said he had leverage against SMU on contract negotiat

Postby Stallion » Sat Dec 07, 2013 4:47 pm

SMU1523 wrote:
Rebel10 wrote:
SMU1523 wrote: We did lose recruits to stringent admissions standards over the years.


What major recruits did we lose over the years due to stringent admissions and what school did they end up going to?


http://rivals.yahoo.com/smu/football/recruiting/player-Davon-Moreland-106438

I can't remember why he didn't work out. He might be a good example.


Wrong he didn't qualify under NCAA rules as a high school Senior, then he failed to qualify under NCAA rules the next season either even after taking a year at Community College to improve his SAT. He hasn't been spotted as far as I know at any JUCO either. He didn't qualify
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Re: JJ said he had leverage against SMU on contract negotiat

Postby SMU1523 » Sat Dec 07, 2013 4:48 pm

You have all convinced me I was wrong. I am now going to buy a bottle of Jack and go rent Born In June...
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Re: JJ said he had leverage against SMU on contract negotiat

Postby feelthehorsepower » Sat Dec 07, 2013 4:48 pm

Statler wrote:
Rebel10 wrote:The announcers said the he indicated that to them when they spoke with him. I wonder if he still thinks so.


Wait a minute. If JJ has an extension in hand then why is there negotiation? Something is rotten on the Hilltop.


Bingo. We have a new coach already. It's a moot point to discuss. Focus on the IPF because the new coach will make it a requirement.
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