JJ said he had leverage against SMU on contract negotiations

[Rebel10]

I just wonder if SMU is going to allow June to publicly slap them in the face and still come crawling to him asking him to sign a contract.

It would not surprise me if the allowed it. Think about how they allowed him to p!ss in their face by recruiting for ASU on our nickle. They just smiled and said 'carry on' jj we love you..

I would hope they would not do that again.

[coloradoStang]

I just don't see why he would put down his current employer in the local newspaper and on national TV on ESPN.

Because he doesn't have anything to lose. At this point, why don't you throw down all the cards and get SMU to more fully commit?

We can wheeze along another year or two and he'll get fired. Or he can throw down the gauntlet, maybe get some more concessions and take it to the next level. He has nothing to lose by forcing this issue IMHO.

Recruits and parents here those things said on TV and in the newspaper and it hurts recruiting to say publicly negative things about the school you are recruiting for. Now June and/or the next coach will have to fight this stuff he has put out there.

Agreed. You can disagree all you want behind closed doors with your boss and your peers. But the second you walk outside and present yourselves to the public, you act like everything is great and everyone agrees on everything. If you don't act like that, and there's public dissension in the ranks, then cut off the dissension and find someone who isn't a yes man, but wont throw a public hissy fit if he doesnt get his way. Don't let the tail wag the dog, if it ever tries to cut the tail off as quick as possible.

[Stallion]

If you look at Frazier you will see that if they pass clearinghouse that they are okay with SMU.

For your argument, you're using the exception that proves the rule. SMU bent over backwards to accommodate Frazier. The fact that he was really the first example of this shows that prior to Frazier we only did this in a very limited fashion (i.e. DJ).

I get ripped every time I post this, but it's the truth. SMU is more willing to accommodate today than they were even a year or two ago.

Seriously you need to get a Rivals or Scout subscription for Christmas and read the NCAA Manual on Initial Qualification because you never have your facts right. Ever heard of Davon Moreland? Ever heard of Holloway? How about Shawnbrey McNeil? They waited not one year but 2 years to try to slide Moreland in just like they have for over 20 players several of which were late qualifiers. You can't slide in NON-QUALIFIERS. Got it? You do a real disservice as a moderator to this board spreading these nonfactual statements. Who are you getting your facts from?

[ftworthmustang]

Anyone wonder if JJ is purposely not recruiting to support his case of how "difficult" it is to recruit to SMU and he needs the IPF and other changes by the admin to recruit better? He points to the last couple of classes as evidence that he can't get better recruits here under current conditions. I can actually see him doing this.

[Dooby]

JJ is not recruiting because he has hit a wall and his heart isn't in it. He tried to rejuvenate things by hiring old buddies to hang out with. None of them recruit because none of them have the motivation to do it.

Maybe-maybe- if he went somewhere else he would get rejuvenated a la Don Nelson at Golden State, but college football is not the NBA, and even Nellie fell apart after one year.

[sbsmith]

Anyone wonder if JJ is purposely not recruiting to support his case of how "difficult" it is to recruit to SMU and he needs the IPF and other changes by the admin to recruit better? He points to the last couple of classes as evidence that he can't get better recruits here under current conditions. I can actually see him doing this.

June hates recruiting, that's why he doesn't recruit. Blaming the administration keeps people from blaming him (did the same thing at Hawaii and just like now only a few people knew the truth).

[ftworthmustang]

We did have some coaches who recruited pretty hard, but they have been replaced, for one reason or another, with non-recruiting coaches. Even Phillips, who was supposed be a good recruiting coach doesn't seem to do much recruiting. It appears to me that not only is JJ not recruiting, but he doesn't want any of his coaches to put much energy into recruiting. This is really inexcusable.

I really hope he either resigns or we fire him soon.

[sbsmith]

We did have some coaches who recruited pretty hard, but they have been replaced, for one reason or another, with non-recruiting coaches. Even Phillips, who was supposed be a good recruiting coach doesn't seem to do much recruiting. It appears to me that not only is JJ not recruiting, but he doesn't want any of his coaches to put much energy into recruiting. This is really inexcusable.

I really hope he either resigns or we fire him soon.

June doesn't want any of his assistants getting more publicity/credit than him.

[Balatro Diabolus Ex]

If you look at Frazier you will see that if they pass clearinghouse that they are okay with SMU.

For your argument, you're using the exception that proves the rule. SMU bent over backwards to accommodate Frazier. The fact that he was really the first example of this shows that prior to Frazier we only did this in a very limited fashion (i.e. DJ).

I get ripped every time I post this, but it's the truth. SMU is more willing to accommodate today than they were even a year or two ago.

Yeah...... actually no. Frazier wasnt the first. Do you remember the mens basketball class from 3 years ago? The entire class failed to qualify, Leslee Smith, Ricmond Vilde, and Aleksei Patsevitch. And before that there was Mohamed Fey, he got kicked out of Georgia Tech after he was caught cheating on exams, and was going to be academically ineligible even if he had passed the tests. If they were willing to take a chance on Fey, at that point they would have let in anyone short of Jack The Ripper. The fiasco with Shawnbrey McNeil, and all the football players who were academically ineligible the following spring semester made the admissions people tighten the reins a bit, but its disingenuous to pretend that this all started yesterday, and frankly if admissions does give kids a bit more scrutiny its because June showed them that he's just giving lip service when he tells them that a kid desperately needs to be allowed into SMU and he'll work so hard, etc.

[Balatro Diabolus Ex]

I just don't see why he would put down his current employer in the local newspaper and on national TV on ESPN.

You dont? This is blackmail, pure and simple. June is saying he wants more money, or he'll drag the schools name through the mud. And this first salvo is just a taste, he's letting the check writers see that he has the connections and the profile to raise a real stink. Its just posturing to get a couple more guaranteed years of contributions to his retirement nest egg. He knows this is the last stop, no school is going to give him the kind of money SMU has forked over, and no school he would want to work at would ever consider hiring him. He thinks he has SMU by the short hairs, and he's going to twist a bit to get what he wants.

[Stallion]

Man I forget some of the details on the multitude of marginal academic qualifiers over the last 6 years or so. Its not a small number. I also knew about all the Basketball players mentioned above-but try to keep argument on June's recruits but also consider we admitted the PG about 5 years ago who didn't graduate from high school but instead got a GED. Great kid turned his life around-but the standards were lowered several years ago now. The Urban Myth that refuses to die frustrates me

[redpony]

SMU needs to stand up and tell him to go to hell. He can finish out his contract if he insists but there will be no additional money/yrs for him to coach here.. Tell him he can save face by 'retiring' now and not wait until his contract expires.

[Rebel10]

I just don't see why he would put down his current employer in the local newspaper and on national TV on ESPN.

You dont? This is blackmail, pure and simple. June is saying he wants more money, or he'll drag the schools name through the mud. And this first salvo is just a taste, he's letting the check writers see that he has the connections and the profile to raise a real stink. Its just posturing to get a couple more guaranteed years of contributions to his retirement nest egg. He knows this is the last stop, no school is going to give him the kind of money SMU has forked over, and no school he would want to work at would ever consider hiring him. He thinks he has SMU by the short hairs, and he's going to twist a bit to get what he wants.

If that is the case it is definitely not good.

[mustangxc]

i think this is a simple negotiation. If June will shuffle the staff and bring in a few young recruiters and dedicate himself, fine, re-up him for 5 years i say. If he won't, both sides need to move on. sorry when you finish 5-7, you don't get to dictate all the terms and have to compromise.

+1

[Stallion]

No he had a chance to do that last year with 3 openings. Now you are talking about his core coaches