All remaining home games officially sold out

[Arkpony]

HUH?

[03Mustang]

Just waiting on Mexmustang to answer this question. By the way, USF doesn't have an IPF either.

"How did USF get 25 recruits with BCS offers while having a worse year than SMU and in the same conference?"

Just wanted to note that Mexmustang still hasn't responded

[SoCal_Pony]

The pressure IS on June. Larry's in the Penthouse, while June's in the Outhouse. We'll see what he can do come fall. He might hear a chant of Left Right, Left Right, Left Right!

Don't take this personally Tide, this is a response to all the posters who think that NOW, due to (fill in the blank), the light bulb is finally going to go off & JJ is going to actually recruit, ie work....

Are you out of your freakin mind?????????

No pressure on JJ, he simply cashes the checks.

[SoCal_Pony]

The personal attacks that litter this site are a disgrace.

I am not going to rehash the fundamental differences between basketball and football. But he students are an integral part of moody. The same is not true of Ford. And Larry has a son at SMU.

Actually Mustangsabu, LB also has a daughter in high school that he wants to attend Meadows Art because, in his words, it's one of the best in the country. Seems like LB is always promoting SMU.

JJ on the other hand has a son who could have attended SMU as well, but as a HS senior over 2 years ago called SMU a 'sh1tty little school'. Wonder where he got that idea from?

[SoCal_Pony]

I'll personally attack his lazy [deleted] until he is run out of here. If you don't understand this simple fact (ie that June Jones and his staff have failed to satisfactorily perform this essential obligation of their contracts) then you don't understand college football

Stallion, I agree 100% with what you are saying. And yet we just extended him. What does that say about our commitment to SMU FB?

[gostangs]

please don't be stupid. it has been well documented on this site that the extension was in name only. You know what you are saying is not really true, but you say it anyway just to make a lame point.

[Mustangsabu]

The personal attacks that litter this site are a disgrace.

I am not going to rehash the fundamental differences between basketball and football. But he students are an integral part of moody. The same is not true of Ford. And Larry has a son at SMU.

Actually Mustangsabu, LB also has a daughter in high school that he wants to attend Meadows Art because, in his words, it's one of the best in the country. Seems like LB is always promoting SMU.

JJ on the other hand has a son who could have attended SMU as well, but as a HS senior over 2 years ago called SMU a 'sh1tty little school'. Wonder where he got that idea from?

I know that LB has said he'd like his daughter to go here. And it is regrettable that JJ's son would publicly say such a thing.

[SoCal_Pony]

please don't be stupid. it has been well documented on this site that the extension was in name only. You know what you are saying is not really true, but you say it anyway just to make a lame point.

Hardly a lame point, gostangs, far from it.

My Dallas sources tell me that if you walked the Blvd., overwhelming sentiment was anti-JJ. Recruiting is abysmal, ticket sales this year will most likely take a hit, interest in the FB program is at a real low, anyone want to venture a guess how bad next years' recruiting class will be? And all this occurring within an environment of have/have-not contraction where we desperately seek one of the last seats at the table.

We kept JJ because we can't afford a buy-out. Short-sided if you ask me but of course I'm not writing the check. But when someone like Stallion, not known for personal attacks on our coaching staff, when even he makes a passionate plea to rid us of JJ, that tells me plenty. Remember all the abuse he got over the years for saying it's not the person (HC) it's the system, well now he clearly says IT'S THE PERSON!!!

I apologize to all for further making this thread a FB one, but the truth is I have not visited the FB board once I heard JJ was 'extended', nor will I visit it, period.

JJ returning next year speaks volumes for our commitment to FB...in a nutshell, there is none.

[Grant Carter]

please don't be stupid. it has been well documented on this site that the extension was in name only. You know what you are saying is not really true, but you say it anyway just to make a lame point.

Hardly a lame point, gostangs, far from it.

My Dallas sources tell me that if you walked the Blvd., overwhelming sentiment was anti-JJ. Recruiting is abysmal, ticket sales this year will most likely take a hit, interest in the FB program is at a real low, anyone want to venture a guess how bad next years' recruiting class will be? And all this occurring within an environment of have/have-not contraction where we desperately seek one of the last seats at the table.

We kept JJ because we can't afford a buy-out. Short-sided if you ask me but of course I'm not writing the check. But when someone like Stallion, not known for personal attacks on our coaching staff, when even he makes a passionate plea to rid us of JJ, that tells me plenty. Remember all the abuse he got over the years for saying it's not the person (HC) it's the system, well now he clearly says IT'S THE PERSON!!!

I apologize to all for further making this thread a FB one, but the truth is I have not visited the FB board once I heard JJ was 'extended', nor will I visit it, period.

JJ returning next year speaks volumes for our commitment to FB...in a nutshell, there is none.

I love it. We have people who refuse to visit the football board so they bring the football commentary to another board. Everyone else comes to this board for basketball, but you feel like we should have to read football talk on this board just because you are boycotting the football board?

[Lebanese4Life]

Before you go and replace a football coach, you need to look at the University of Texas record. They had an unending riches of four and five stars, and $300,000.000 in annual athletic revenue but had 17 years of failure before hiring Mac Brown. Football is another sport than basketball. It requires a major investment and commitment from the administration, board and alumni. It is far more difficult to turn around. We are so fortunate to have found that passing comet in Larry Brown. We have caught lightening in a bottle--just doesn't happen very often. This maybe first.

Think about these points:

The improvements alone at Moody, cost more than the total budget to build Ford. Yes, I know inflation, but still...we have a stadium that is basically built on aluminum bleachers, with a brick façade. TCU's improvements of Amon Carter was two and a half times Ford's budget.

Basketball has the Crum center for practice, there is no IPF for football,

The current BB team has higher salaries for assistant coaches and administrative (?) managers.

LB has almost unlimited access to private business jets for recruiting,

SMU suddenly has a flexible admissions policy--multiple transfers, presidential approvals of kids turned down by the admissions committee (all three this year), and best of all, professional tutors, etc. Football has had the pledges, but even in December no tutors were hired.

Most important, we are a member of a pretty strong basketball conference, with several former National Championship members--and those championships occurred during the school years of our high school recruits.

SMU's has demonstrated a new attitude with regard to basketball. Suddenly we are not ashamed or defensive about athletics. If SMU, had responded as strongly to the press and NCAA as it did with our prize freshman recruit's academic record, we would have never received the DP, penalties yes, but not the DP. I was proud of the University's aggressive response in our press release. Our grey hairs were pleasantly surprised--no, I would say shocked!

The AAC in football is simply not the same conference. It is not a place recruits want to play.

Our assistants and coordinators haven't had but one raise in six years in football--remember that is four bowl games, certainly in one of those years they deserved a raise! Their salaries are also a fraction of those on LB's staff. You can't poor boy your coordinators! Word get out in the coaching community.

There is not a vocal, insistent, financial sponsor for football, get one...get several. We will need them to enforce changes and provide the financial support.

Another thing, don't get so caught up in the "Star System". Rival's editor is only 25 years old. I respect a seasoned coach's opinion as to whether a kid can play far more than any recruiting service.

Also, remember that high school kids don't always tell the truth about their offers, contacts, recruitment or grades. Football coaches are prevented by the NCAA to make comments or defend themselves.

LB doesn't recruit off of Rivals ratings either. Look how many three stars he is currently recruiting. Better yet, look what three star freshmen are outplaying our 4 star JC transfer and five star freshmen.

Just saying, June's going to be here at least one more year, I believe two. He has not only the support of the grey hairs, but Larry Brown and President Turner as well. You can sit around and play "blame the coach" for anther two years, just as we've done for almost three decades, but unless you build the investment, the financial base in football, the infrastructure we need, and prepare the program for an invite to a major conference, nothing is going to happen. More years of futility.

Unfortunately, we will be playing "fire the coach" for another three decades. For those of you that hate June, can you imagine looking back in 25 years and remembering the June Jones era as the "good old days, of SMU football"?

LB credits June for his coming to SMU. He had LB's support. It is nonsense to believe June didn't come here without a vision of filling Ford. As Larry Brown said, "it was June's vision and confirmed by Steve (Orsini), that convinced him this was possible at SMU"--creating the same noise we are all currently enjoying at Moody.

Moody's improvement was part of the Bush library commitment, not basketball, but suddenly the BB folks got involved--"I didn't make this investment if we don't have the commitment to win!" We need the same sponsor(s) to press on the administration in football.

Finally, it is our AD's responsibility to fill Ford, not the HC. Filling 7,000 seats at Moody is far less difficult that filling a stadium of 36,000. We haven't had a marketing budget promoting our football games in years--not under Orsini and certainly not under Rick. It was Russ Potts (AD) that filled the Cotton Bowl and Texas Stadium, not Ron Myer. Myer's success was far from immediate, it required mass support, the alumni, the board, the students and most of all the financial commitment of the university (no comments about the other financial commitment). SMU, for all its history really doesn't have a history of actually winning over the past seven decades--I believe during that time we may have had but one decade in which we had a winning record.

As a member of the AAC, a football conference that has been left out of the so-called
"Major Conferences--the big five, both recruiting and attendance will need twice the effort and investment than for a Baylor or TCU. Don't expect wins over these types of teams until we are willing to make this investment. How can you expect to win the race, when everyone else is investing at least twice as much.

Basketball success is not only a direct result of our investment, but is probably a big reason Larry Brown was willing to come here. Investment came first, then LB, then the wins.

Before you replace June, make the investment in football so you can attract the coaches you are looking for. We can try to recruit a new coach without it, but we can attract a far better one if we prove we are committed. No coach is going to want to come here if we are in a second rate football conference and simply go through the motions like we have in terms of investment. They also won't want to wait for the investment to come on their watch--SMU has a history of unrealistic expectations and he will be fired before the investment begins to reap the rewards.

Finally, SMU used to outspend Baylor, TTU, TCU, but after what will be 25 or so years since the breakup of the SWC, SMU's investment gap--our investment shortfall, our commitment from the top, has grown in multiples, not in percentage terms.

Man, you've lost it buddy. So much wrong with your post I don't know where to begin.

Stallion, preach my brotha.. PREACH!

[ponyscott]

Weird derailing of a thread.

[gostangs]

i guess there is so much frustration with football it just can't stay on that board.

There is nothing anyone can add that is new here. Defenders of june are about 1% of anyone paying attention. June will stumble through one more year before he can be replaced. He took us from bad to average, and that is it. Nothing more. Could have been more since he is a good coach, but recruiting is 70% of the college game and regardless of anyones opinion you cannot argue he does that well. It will take a year to convince 3 or 4 key people who still don't understand, that we have a personnel issue. We need those people to pay for the change. We will have a rough year next year - very little excitement or energy from anyone - and the die hards who usually are hopelessly optimistic are lost, since the one person you should be able to count on the share their commitment has not been committed since 2010 - best case. We are worn out.

Move this thread - it is bad karma.

[TidePony]

And, going in another direction, let's take the beer and wine profits from BB and start building a war chest to build the IPF! Heck, 95% of us would be willing and able to help seal that deal!!!
Let's go Mustangs! Pluck those Owls!

[CalallenStang]

And, going in another direction, let's take the beer and wine profits from BB and start building a war chest to build the IPF! Heck, 95% of us would be willing and able to help seal that deal!!!
Let's go Mustangs! Pluck those Owls!

I will buy a beer at each of our remaining home games just to support the building of an IPF. Yep, that's the reason I would buy a beer.

I've been told that funding is not an issue with the IPF. The issue is space and building a new soccer and track complex. But let's drink to getting that fixed, too!

[ponyboy]

SMU got it wrong with June Jones and staff from Day

Revisionist history is my favorite subject too. We were apoplectic the day June announced he was coming here. He saved SMU athletics and made LB possible.


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