Tweet from Myles Turner after the game

[SMU Section F]

Intelligent for a one and done is focusing almost completely on hoops. It's not a matter of whether or not they are book smart kids.

This is the truth. The idealistic "student-athlete" scenario is great for four year guys, but a waste of time for the "one-and-done" athlete. Focus on your future.

[hoopmanx]

There's a definite lack of college basketball knowledge in the SMU fan base and it's not limited to the "bandwagoners". I'm as guilty as anyone, particularly when it comes to the recruiting/AAU/branding world.

There's only a few people on this board that help the "situation" and hoopmanx is one of them. I won't begrudge them a few exasperated/frustrated posts if they don't begrudge the rest of us a little ignorance of things that are not central to our lives/professions. I feel like that's a reasonable compromise.

Works for me. It's just hard for me to participate in a thread like this, if most everyone has the wrong idea about how these recruitments work, so I say what I say.

[couch 'em]

Hoopmanx today sounds a lot like Stallion circa 2002 going on about the 'model' and Mustang Club suckups

[hoopmanx]

Intelligent for a one and done is focusing almost completely on hoops. It's not a matter of whether or not they are book smart kids.

This is the truth. The idealistic "student-athlete" scenario is great for four year guys, but a waste of time for the "one-and-done" athlete. Focus on your future.

Honestly, at big time programs, it's the same for all of these guys. Most every one of them can play pro somewhere and do. It's a training ground for their careers, no shame in that. It's a lot different than football which is an American thing, nfl or bust.

[SMU Section F]

It's a training ground for their careers, no shame in that.

Yep. And truth be told more non-athletes should think of school this way, too.

[mustang1992]

As a teacher, and a lifelong student (finishing my second Masters, will begin my third after next year) it's a shame that we consider education a "waste of time".

[East Coast Mustang]

I don't know if I'm ready to live in a world where Stallion might be wrong about something

[hoopmanx]

As a teacher, and a lifelong student (finishing my second Masters, will begin my third after next year) it's a shame that we consider education a "waste of time".

They are being educated in their respective career choice, no different than most.

[SMU Section F]

As a teacher, and a lifelong student (finishing my second Masters, will begin my third after next year) it's a shame that we consider education a "waste of time".

Please don't misunderstand my point either. Education is not a waste of time, but attending classes and receiving a degree has very little to do with education. The maxim that you get out of it what you put into it is 100% true of the college experience.

What professional athletes need to learn is just different than the traditional university fare.

[SMUstangs22]

There's a definite lack of college basketball knowledge in the SMU fan base and it's not limited to the "bandwagoners". I'm as guilty as anyone, particularly when it comes to the recruiting/AAU/branding world.

There's only a few people on this board that help the "situation" and hoopmanx is one of them. I won't begrudge them a few exasperated/frustrated posts if they don't begrudge the rest of us a little ignorance of things that are not central to our lives/professions. I feel like that's a reasonable compromise.

Works for me. It's just hard for me to participate in a thread like this, if most everyone has the wrong idea about how these recruitments work, so I say what I say.

Then why participate? Is it worth it if it frustrates you so much? I have always been fascinated by how quickly a thread can become hostile.

Don't get me wrong. I appreciate the information as much as the next person.

[mustang1992]

As a teacher, and a lifelong student (finishing my second Masters, will begin my third after next year) it's a shame that we consider education a "waste of time".

They are being educated in their respective career choice, no different than most.

I understand that's their career choice and their "education" is coming in different forms. I was speaking more broadly, I guess, about the nature of learning in general that has nothing to do with someone's career preparation. But I'll leave it at that as this is not really the proper venue to debate this particular issue.

Back to SMU basketball, where most of us agree on . . .

[OhioBrownFan]

You say some of the stupidest things sometimes-what is with you in this inside baseball gansta crap? Of course the trajectory of the program matters. Momentum matters in recruiting

2 wins one way or another has nothing to do w trajectory or momentum. you have no idea how this roster was assembled or who the trigger pieces were, so do me a favor and spare me w/your hoops recruiting expertise. We work [deleted] the trail but we make our own breaks. if we get Myles, it won't be b/c of a few wins. For chrissakes, he's a one and done, top 5 kid. You think getting Frazier had anything to do w him liking smu more? Better yet, why did Moreira end up here? What about Kennedy?

Hoopman is 100% right. Fans put way more into wins-losses and atmospheres than any recruits. Obviously a recruit wants to be at a winner, but individual wins or losses don't matter in the grand scheme of things. Turner is only considering good programs, they all win, relationships are typically what put one program over the top of another. Take yourself out of your fan spot and put yourself in his shoes, what would be important to you? Playing for a coach and teammates you like or playing for a program that won while you were visiting?

[OhioBrownFan]

As a teacher, and a lifelong student (finishing my second Masters, will begin my third after next year) it's a shame that we consider education a "waste of time".

It is a waste of time...their living is going to be dribbling and shooting a ball. You don't get that reading a textbook. If someone like LeBron wants to go back and get a college degree, I'm sure he will be able to afford it when he feels like it. There is no value in Myles Turner staying at school and passing on millions. There's no amount of education that will allow you to walk right into a million dollar a year job right after graduation, Turner will do that. These aren't normal kids, they're exceptions and their jobs are different that yours or mine so I think you're better off letting go of that mind-set. Any one of them that goes to the NBA will have the money to complete their degree if they wish to do so.

[East Coast Mustang]

Hoopman is 100% right. Fans put way more into wins-losses and atmospheres than any recruits. Obviously a recruit wants to be at a winner, but individual wins or losses don't matter in the grand scheme of things. Turner is only considering good programs, they all win, relationships are typically what put one program over the top of another. Take yourself out of your fan spot and put yourself in his shoes, what would be important to you? Playing for a coach and teammates you like or playing for a program that won while you were visiting?

This is where I don't understand how SMU isn't in this more than we are. You've got the nation's best PG alongside you next year and LARRY BROWN coaching you- one of the greatest coaches of all time. I can't think of a better NBA training setup than that. And it's right in your backyard. Compare that the Rick Barnes who is a mediocre Xs and Os coach and Travis Ford at Okla State who is good but nothing special IMO. Also you'll be playing in front of a couple thousand empty seats every night at Texas- not sure about OSU. Also, football will always be the alpha dog at those schools- unlike SMU where the community is excited about the program.

The Big 12 is having a great bball year this year, but the AAC compares pretty favorably with UConn, Memphis, and Cincy- plus all of your games are on one of the ESPN networks- I had to look far and wide to find the Texas/TCU game on TV the other night.

[couch 'em]

It has always seemed silly to me that you can get a degree in music performance or dance in Meadows and it is education, but playing basketball is not. Will SMU take the lead an offer a degree in athletics?