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Re: JJ said he had leverage against SMU on contract negotiat
Posted: Sat Dec 07, 2013 10:18 pm
by Mustangsabu
They are all in AQ conferences with a slate of games people and the media care about. TCU is a better standard with which to compare and it is going to be very interesting to see if their attendance stays up while they bottom feed in the Big 12. Personally I think our only chance is to win the AAC and go from there. Attendance is not going to get better, but wining will give the program as much of a lift as it can get. We just need to start tempering our expectations. JJ has not yet brought us to where we thought he would, but whether he stays or goes, there are many positives. Should you care to look for them of course.
Re: JJ said he had leverage against SMU on contract negotiat
Posted: Sat Dec 07, 2013 10:47 pm
by SMU 86
Balatro Diabolus Ex wrote:Rebel10 wrote:I just don't see why he would put down his current employer in the local newspaper and on national TV on ESPN.
You dont? This is blackmail, pure and simple. June is saying he wants more money, or he'll drag the schools name through the mud. And this first salvo is just a taste, he's letting the check writers see that he has the connections and the profile to raise a real stink. Its just posturing to get a couple more guaranteed years of contributions to his retirement nest egg. He knows this is the last stop, no school is going to give him the kind of money SMU has forked over, and no school he would want to work at would ever consider hiring him. He thinks he has SMU by the short hairs, and he's going to twist a bit to get what he wants.
It is unfortunate that June said those things.
Re: JJ said he had leverage against SMU on contract negotiat
Posted: Sat Dec 07, 2013 10:53 pm
by smubrooks
Re: JJ said he had leverage against SMU on contract negotiat
Posted: Sat Dec 07, 2013 10:59 pm
by ftworthmustang
Look at Rice this year. How in the world are they winning with all the restrictions they have? IF JJs excuses were real, Rice shouldn't win any games. Look at Bowling Green, Northern Iowa, and Fresno State. They have put together competitive teams in non-AQ conferences. Look at UCF. JJs excuses are just that, excuses.
Re: JJ said he had leverage against SMU on contract negotiat
Posted: Sat Dec 07, 2013 11:02 pm
by Dooby
THE ONLY LACK OF COMMITMENT IS JUNE'S!
Repeat.
THE ONLY LACK OF COMMITMENT IS JUNE'S!
Repeat.
THE ONLY LACK OF COMMITMENT IS JUNE'S!
Repeat.
THE ONLY LACK OF COMMITMENT IS JUNE'S!
Repeat.
THE ONLY LACK OF COMMITMENT IS JUNE'S!
Repeat.
THE ONLY LACK OF COMMITMENT IS JUNE'S!
Repeat.
THE ONLY LACK OF COMMITMENT IS JUNE'S!
Repeat.
Re: JJ said he had leverage against SMU on contract negotiat
Posted: Sat Dec 07, 2013 11:10 pm
by ponyboy
Balatro Diabolus Ex wrote: This is blackmail, pure and simple. June is saying he wants more money, or he'll drag the schools name through the mud.
Jon, I had considered this conversation as mere hearsay until I read that. Are you at liberty to expound? Pretty serious allegation you're making.
Re: JJ said he had leverage against SMU on contract negotiat
Posted: Sat Dec 07, 2013 11:13 pm
by goldenstang
Balatro Diabolus Ex wrote: This is blackmail, pure and simple. June is saying he wants more money, or he'll drag the schools name through the mud.
Not really blackmail he already did it.
Re: JJ said he had leverage against SMU on contract negotiat
Posted: Sat Dec 07, 2013 11:19 pm
by Balatro Diabolus Ex
No, I'm not, and yes I suppose it is. Go ahead and consider it hearsay, or me speaking metaphorically, or speculatively. It isnt anything that would stand up in court and perhaps I made it sound like it comes direct from June when its actually more from third parties, particularly his agent. If the moderator wants to take it down I wont squawk, but I'm not going to change it myself.
Re: JJ said he had leverage against SMU on contract negotiat
Posted: Sun Dec 08, 2013 12:39 am
by Rebel10
Well JJ did indicate that he had leverage.
Re: JJ said he had leverage against SMU on contract negotiat
Posted: Sun Dec 08, 2013 1:55 am
by feelthehorsepower
ftworthmustang wrote:Look at Rice this year. How in the world are they winning with all the restrictions they have? IF JJs excuses were real, Rice shouldn't win any games. Look at Bowling Green, Northern Iowa, and Fresno State. They have put together competitive teams in non-AQ conferences. Look at UCF. JJs excuses are just that, excuses.
UCF is BCS caliber. Lost to the gamecocks by 3.
would not be surprised if they get added to Big 12
Re: JJ said he had leverage against SMU on contract negotiat
Posted: Sun Dec 08, 2013 1:57 am
by feelthehorsepower
Dooby wrote:THE ONLY LACK OF COMMITMENT IS JUNE'S!
Repeat.
THE ONLY LACK OF COMMITMENT IS JUNE'S!
Repeat.
THE ONLY LACK OF COMMITMENT IS JUNE'S!
Repeat.
THE ONLY LACK OF COMMITMENT IS JUNE'S!
Repeat.
THE ONLY LACK OF COMMITMENT IS JUNE'S!
Repeat.
THE ONLY LACK OF COMMITMENT IS JUNE'S!
Repeat.
THE ONLY LACK OF COMMITMENT IS JUNE'S!
Repeat.
FEAR THE HORSE
NEW COACH
Re: JJ said he had leverage against SMU on contract negotiat
Posted: Sun Dec 08, 2013 6:27 am
by dirtysouthpony
ojaipony wrote:SMU decision makers seem to be weak kneed nillies. We've been so bad for so long they have put JJ completely in the drivers seat. I don't want to hear about admission standards, IPF or any such nonsense. Duke is doing it. Baylor did it. Stanford is certainly doing it. All private schools putting their backs into it. No excuses for SMU to not get this done. Get a damn coach who will recruit, invest in the program and let's do this thing. Otherwise [deleted] off. Duke, Stanford, Baylor et al have proven all that is just bs.
Ojai is correct again on this one. Check this out:
http://espn.go.com/blog/sec/post/_/id/5 ... am-to-last
Franklin has already made some serious waves on the recruiting trail. He’s bringing in four-star prospects, which was once a fantasy at Vanderbilt.
The other thing he’s done is embrace Vanderbilt’s stringent academic standards. He’s selling them rather than trying to work around them.
Re: JJ said he had leverage against SMU on contract negotiat
Posted: Sun Dec 08, 2013 8:10 am
by Grant Carter
gostangs wrote:People don't dislike him because they like to hate, they dislike him because they dislike lazy, indifferent and self centered.
I do not like him as our coach because he has not won enough, which is the bottom line. To me the cause of this is that he is a poor recruiter and does not know how to organize a staff to recruit. I think that focusing on laziness, etc makes it too personal and distracts from the bottom line that he just has not won enough, plus that stuff is much more qualitative and difficult to prove so it allows people to make counter arguments. All the numbers people were tossing out in response to gosslein were the best arguments in my opinion.
Re: JJ said he had leverage against SMU on contract negotiat
Posted: Sun Dec 08, 2013 8:48 am
by SoCal_Pony
Grant Carter wrote:gostangs wrote:People don't dislike him because they like to hate, they dislike him because they dislike lazy, indifferent and self centered.
I do not like him as our coach because he has not won enough, which is the bottom line. To me the cause of this is that he is a poor recruiter and does not know how to organize a staff to recruit. I think that focusing on laziness, etc makes it too personal and distracts from the bottom line that he just has not won enough, plus that stuff is much more qualitative and difficult to prove so it allows people to make counter arguments. All the numbers people were tossing out in response to gosslein were the best arguments in my opinion.
Grant,
JJ has been called a lot of things on this board. Stupid is not one of them.
June knows d*mn well how to organize a staff to recruit. He doesn't because of ego and/or laziness, probably a combination of both. Some posters such as myself call him out on this.
Sorry, if that ruffles feathers, but it is what it is.
Re: JJ said he had leverage against SMU on contract negotiat
Posted: Sun Dec 08, 2013 9:01 am
by SoCal_Pony
Balatro Diabolus Ex wrote: This is blackmail, pure and simple. June is saying he wants more money, or he'll drag the schools name through the mud.
What's the worst thing he can say? that SMU is a $hitty little school? Oh, I forgot, that line has already been used.
Seriously, what can he possibly do?
I say bring it. If JJ attempts to trash SMU, we can respond with the facts...that SMU has spent some $150M recently on athletics and are unsatisfied with the return on their investment on this particular revenue sport, therefore the change. Plus all SMU supporters will close rank against him. Quite possibly some CoC members may open their wallets a bit more to prove him wrong.
