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Re: Rick Hart statement re: Chad Morris, football coach posi
Posted: Fri Dec 08, 2017 10:32 am
by JoeKidd
So I have now moved onto the emotional stage of Acceptance (took longer than I thought given we all knew Chad had to leave as soon as Jimbo signed up with the Ags). All I want is to start hearing more chatter about all of the good candidates we're interviewing. Orlando and Graham are good starts....who else (Sumlin and Kiffin are not realistic choices....although I would love to think we could somehow get Sumlin here) and then I want to know how we're going to keep our recruiting class together and I'll be fine and put the whole #PonyUpTempo thing behind me.
Re: Rick Hart statement re: Chad Morris, football coach posi
Posted: Fri Dec 08, 2017 11:13 am
by Greenwich Pony
Yes, I'm not seeing anything on the IPF on SMUMustangs facilities.
I was okay with
https://www.smu.edu/News/2016/athletics ... 26july2016. It seemed nice, but by no means a "grand dame" IPF. No explanation why we're not doing this other than something about not being able to also build a soccer stadium. (Really? We seem to have a nice Lacrosse stadium but no varsity Lacrosse team, AND a soccer field is only a few yards wider than a Lacrosse field- we can't use that stadium for soccer too without some improvements that must be cheaper than building a whole new stadium?). AND we're tearing up Barr (and presumably not replacing that either) to build an "okay" facility that continues or "Meh" football tradition. I am glad that we are moving forward with an IPF but I am disturbed by the "Bait and switch" and the fact that it is greatly reduced, which will probably negate the point of having it in the first place. I don't want to waste other people's money. I give what I can every year and that's the point. If we can't really afford to do things right, maybe we need to refocus our energies.
Re: Rick Hart statement re: Chad Morris, football coach posi
Posted: Fri Dec 08, 2017 11:20 am
by Nacho
We got left behind. We're trying to get back in. Its hard. We will die a withering death if we don't get back in pretty soon. Did i leave out anything.
Re: Rick Hart statement re: Chad Morris, football coach posi
Posted: Fri Dec 08, 2017 11:29 am
by Stallion
Greenwich Pony wrote:Yes, I'm not seeing anything on the IPF on SMUMustangs facilities.
I was okay with
https://www.smu.edu/News/2016/athletics ... 26july2016. It seemed nice, but by no means a "grand dame" IPF. No explanation why we're not doing this other than something about not being able to also build a soccer stadium. (Really? We seem to have a nice Lacrosse stadium but no varsity Lacrosse team, AND a soccer field is only a few yards wider than a Lacrosse field- we can't use that stadium for soccer too without some improvements that must be cheaper than building a whole new stadium?). AND we're tearing up Barr (and presumably not replacing that either) to build an "okay" facility that continues or "Meh" football tradition. I am glad that we are moving forward with an IPF but I am disturbed by the "Bait and switch" and the fact that it is greatly reduced, which will probably negate the point of having it in the first place. I don't want to waste other people's money. I give what I can every year and that's the point. If we can't really afford to do things right, maybe we need to refocus our energies.
http://smumustangs.com/galleries/?gallery=396
Re: Rick Hart statement re: Chad Morris, football coach posi
Posted: Fri Dec 08, 2017 11:32 am
by smusic 00
None of what is posted online will be built.
BOT is having their meetings this week where the next moves are being approved.
Re: Rick Hart statement re: Chad Morris, football coach posi
Posted: Fri Dec 08, 2017 11:33 am
by SMU_Alum11
Stallion wrote:Greenwich Pony wrote:Yes, I'm not seeing anything on the IPF on SMUMustangs facilities.
I was okay with
https://www.smu.edu/News/2016/athletics ... 26july2016. It seemed nice, but by no means a "grand dame" IPF. No explanation why we're not doing this other than something about not being able to also build a soccer stadium. (Really? We seem to have a nice Lacrosse stadium but no varsity Lacrosse team, AND a soccer field is only a few yards wider than a Lacrosse field- we can't use that stadium for soccer too without some improvements that must be cheaper than building a whole new stadium?). AND we're tearing up Barr (and presumably not replacing that either) to build an "okay" facility that continues or "Meh" football tradition. I am glad that we are moving forward with an IPF but I am disturbed by the "Bait and switch" and the fact that it is greatly reduced, which will probably negate the point of having it in the first place. I don't want to waste other people's money. I give what I can every year and that's the point. If we can't really afford to do things right, maybe we need to refocus our energies.
http://smumustangs.com/galleries/?gallery=396
Right that's the same 2016 rendering. People are claiming they're breaking ground by the old natatorium off of Abbott which this rendering is not next to. This rendering is putting the IPF between Ford & Binkley Garage.
Re: Rick Hart statement re: Chad Morris, football coach posi
Posted: Fri Dec 08, 2017 11:38 am
by smusic 00
That rendering is moot. The soccer stadium is not moving. The practice field is not moving. Everything posted about Perkins/Barr is correct.
Re: Rick Hart statement re: Chad Morris, football coach posi
Posted: Fri Dec 08, 2017 11:40 am
by Bergermeister
I hate fake renderings.
Re: Rick Hart statement re: Chad Morris, football coach posi
Posted: Fri Dec 08, 2017 11:57 am
by SMU_Alum11
smusic 00 wrote:That rendering is moot. The soccer stadium is not moving. The practice field is not moving. Everything posted about Perkins/Barr is correct.
I hope this isn't true. The rendering actually makes us look like we want to be a P5 school. If we are doing a dinky tent setup in a park, why bother?
Re: Rick Hart statement re: Chad Morris, football coach posi
Posted: Fri Dec 08, 2017 12:01 pm
by Greenwich Pony
My point exactly. Badly sited, too small. It's a long-term waste of out resources if we don't do this the right way.
I know we now have facility funding rules, but this is essentially crossroads. If the school does not put proper support and commitment into the football program now, we really should seriously reconsider our future in the sport. AND the soccer program, once a regular top-flight program hasn't seen any love in years- the soccer stadium is inadequate as well. I know we don't get P5 money, but if there was ever a strategic time to invest a little as if we did, this is it. Right now.
And to reiterate, I would happily trade it all to see SMU a top 20-30 academic institution, but that doesn't seem to be happening. I'm not a football first advocate by anyone's stretch of the imagination but if we are going to continue to swim along with the big boys, then we need to pony up like a big boy program this time. If we're not going to do that, I'd rather spend the money on the library, endowed professorships, financial aid programs and some upper class housing. It's a better investment for the school long term.
Re: Rick Hart statement re: Chad Morris, football coach posi
Posted: Fri Dec 08, 2017 12:03 pm
by RGV Pony
SMU_Alum11 wrote:smusic 00 wrote:That rendering is moot. The soccer stadium is not moving. The practice field is not moving. Everything posted about Perkins/Barr is correct.
I hope this isn't true. The rendering actually makes us look like we want to be a P5 school. If we are doing a dinky tent setup in a park, why bother?
We aren't doing a dinky tent setup
Re: Rick Hart statement re: Chad Morris, football coach posi
Posted: Fri Dec 08, 2017 12:08 pm
by SMU_Alum11
Well I'll stop being negative once I see a new rendering but it just feels like we are going to half-ass this thing.
Re: Rick Hart statement re: Chad Morris, football coach posi
Posted: Fri Dec 08, 2017 12:10 pm
by RGV Pony
SMU isn't about to put a quonset hut at the corner of main & main
Re: Rick Hart statement re: Chad Morris, football coach posi
Posted: Fri Dec 08, 2017 12:15 pm
by ericdickerson4life
Since when does SMU half [deleted] a building on campus?
Re: Rick Hart statement re: Chad Morris, football coach posi
Posted: Fri Dec 08, 2017 12:19 pm
by Greenwich Pony
I don't think anyone is seriously thinking Quonset hut, but even a "nice but comparable" IPF does not get it done. and is wasting our money and resources.
We had a good plan that doesn't seem unreasonable but was not a "grand dame" plan, and we're backing off it for something even less than that. It's killing the program with a thousand paper cuts and damning it with faint praise. If we can't afford the earlier rendering, then we really should reassess our priorities.