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Just a thought here by a newbie: How about we agree on three things?

First, let's all agree that regardless of why he was fired, or how successful or unsucessful his tenure at SMU was, Jimmy Tubbs is gone.

Second, let's all agree to get positive about the fact that Matt Doherty is experienced, has had success at a high level, and seems to be better qualified than any basketball coach hired at SMU in the last twenty five years.

Lastly and probably most importantly, let's all agree that the coach that has been hired is better qualified than any of us on all matters relating to the basketball program, including but not limited to, who is on the basketball team.

Matt should leave on his own if he and Max care about SMU.

OK we get it. How many times can you repeat the same thing over and over and over? Please move on.

Itsaputon, thanks for the reality check.

Blunt, that is all i am saying. Havent i clearly said that I do not think Doherty should kick Matt off the team? I think Matt should leave volunarilty for his own sake and moreso for SMU's sake.

Hoop, you are correct that you and jt are putting a different spin on Matt leaving. jt says he should be dismissed. You keep saying he should walk away voluntarily bc it is in the best interest of SMU for him to leave. When you nudge someone into resignation it is the same as dismissing someone just with a different PR spin. There is absolutely no benefit whatsoever to SMU by Matt leaving the school, unless we have a better player to give his scholarship to. But yes, I can see why you would hate him. Being that his gramps wouldn't fund your best friend's recruiting slush fund and all. I would want him gone too if I were you.

MustangIcon wrote:

Blunt, that is all i am saying. Havent i clearly said that I do not think Doherty should kick Matt off the team? I think Matt should leave volunarilty for his own sake and moreso for SMU's sake.

There is absolutely no benefit whatsoever to SMU by Matt leaving the school, unless we have a better player to give his scholarship to.

Wrong, but I wouldnt expect you to get it. There is benefit for SMU in Matt leaving and it is the message it sends to the local community about SMU not being controlled by boosters and grandparents of players. Whether you realize it or not, a good portion of the Dallas basketball community believes Tubbs got railroaded. That is a bigger problem than where Matt plays his basketball.

I'm even more concerned today that Matt Williams was simply signed by SMU as a quid pro quo to influence Williams to fund basketball operations. I never thought he was a Division 1A prospect in the first place

You dont think any of our players are D 1A prospects anyway Stallion, so how is your opinion of Williams any different.

Hoop Fan wrote:

MustangIcon wrote:

Blunt, that is all i am saying. Havent i clearly said that I do not think Doherty should kick Matt off the team? I think Matt should leave volunarilty for his own sake and moreso for SMU's sake.

There is absolutely no benefit whatsoever to SMU by Matt leaving the school, unless we have a better player to give his scholarship to.

Wrong, but I wouldnt expect you to get it. There is benefit for SMU in Matt leaving and it is the message it sends to the local community about SMU not being controlled by boosters and grandparents of players. Whether you realize it or not, a good portion of the Dallas basketball community believes Tubbs got railroaded. That is a bigger problem than where Matt plays his basketball.

If the golf touney slush fund is in fact true, I don't think anyone in their right mind could ever suggest Tubbs was railroaded. Well, except you and the rest of his extended family.

Stallion, while he may not have been a top recruit he was a D1 prospect. He rated 3 stars on rivals so someone there must have thought that he was a solid D1 prospect. He shoot lights out and he lit up some 5a teams here in the metroplex including being a top scorer in the area. No he might not be all world, prolly not even close, but he has talent where you could justify him getting a D1 offer.

MustangIcon wrote:

Hoop Fan wrote:

MustangIcon wrote:

Blunt, that is all i am saying. Havent i clearly said that I do not think Doherty should kick Matt off the team? I think Matt should leave volunarilty for his own sake and moreso for SMU's sake.

There is absolutely no benefit whatsoever to SMU by Matt leaving the school, unless we have a better player to give his scholarship to.

Wrong, but I wouldnt expect you to get it. There is benefit for SMU in Matt leaving and it is the message it sends to the local community about SMU not being controlled by boosters and grandparents of players. Whether you realize it or not, a good portion of the Dallas basketball community believes Tubbs got railroaded. That is a bigger problem than where Matt plays his basketball.

If the golf touney slush fund is in fact true, I don't think anyone in their right mind could ever suggest Tubbs was railroaded. Well, except you and the rest of his extended family.

Stallion, while he may not have been a top recruit he was a D1 prospect. He rated 3 stars on rivals so someone there must have thought that he was a solid D1 prospect. He shoot lights out and he lit up some 5a teams here in the metroplex including being a top scorer in the area. No he might not be all world, prolly not even close, but he has talent where you could justify him getting a D1 offer.

that would be true and I would defend SMU's decision if that were the case, however you still have a major outside perception problem partly because of the poor communications and timing. Thats reality. I am not defending tubbs on anything but his recruiting and coaching record, get that through your thick head.

Stallion wrote:I'm even more concerned today that Matt Williams was simply signed by SMU as a quid pro quo to influence Williams to fund basketball operations. I never thought he was a Division 1A prospect in the first place

Based on what you have read, you mean. You have never seen him play, correct?

based on the fact that none of the stories about him indicated any other Division 1A offers and the fact the No. 62 player in the State Of Texas generally doesn't get that type of offer unless his last name is Williams and his grandad is a major contributor to the BB program.

But scoring 60+ in a game isnt easy I dont care who you are playing. Do they use 50 gallon Barrels for baskets in the private schools?

itsaputon wrote:Just a thought here by a newbie: How about we agree on three things?

First, let's all agree that regardless of why he was fired, or how successful or unsucessful his tenure at SMU was, Jimmy Tubbs is gone.

Second, let's all agree to get positive about the fact that Matt Doherty is experienced, has had success at a high level, and seems to be better qualified than any basketball coach hired at SMU in the last twenty five years.

Lastly and probably most importantly, let's all agree that the coach that has been hired is better qualified than any of us on all matters relating to the basketball program, including but not limited to, who is on the basketball team.

I agree with all three.

Can you agree that SMU botched the Tubbs firing, particularly if the slush fund rumor is true, by not announcing the reasons concurrently with the firing? I mean, can you name one other time in the history of D-1 basketball where a coach was fired for nebulous "violations" which were not articulated at the time of the firing?

Hoop Fan wrote: what gets me is people like you who i thought were fair minded sit there in silence while idiots and haters spew a bunch of garbage unchecked.

So its OK for you to spew a bunch of garbage about Matt Williams, but not OK for others to spew it about Tubbs? Correct?

Now, I'm sure you'll come back with something about how Matt should leave and that's all you're asking. But I'm not talking about that. I'm talking about where you said that Matt ratted out his teammates and his coach. That, sir, is spewing a bunch of garbage unchecked.

jtstang wrote:

itsaputon wrote:Just a thought here by a newbie: How about we agree on three things?

First, let's all agree that regardless of why he was fired, or how successful or unsucessful his tenure at SMU was, Jimmy Tubbs is gone.

Second, let's all agree to get positive about the fact that Matt Doherty is experienced, has had success at a high level, and seems to be better qualified than any basketball coach hired at SMU in the last twenty five years.

Lastly and probably most importantly, let's all agree that the coach that has been hired is better qualified than any of us on all matters relating to the basketball program, including but not limited to, who is on the basketball team.

I agree with all three.

Can you agree that SMU botched the Tubbs firing, particularly if the slush fund rumor is true, by not announcing the reasons concurrently with the firing? I mean, can you name one other time in the history of D-1 basketball where a coach was fired for nebulous "violations" which were not articulated at the time of the firing?

I can agree on this 100000%

Danny Noonan wrote:I can agree on this 100000%

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