stc9 wrote:I have heard several different interpretations on the scholarship reductions. Does anyone have a clearer reading on this.
They lose 10 scholarships this year (2012-13) which means they can only award 15 scholarships this year. For the next 4 years, they can only have 65 scholarship players instead of the normal 85 allowed by the NCAA.
â– 10 incoming scholarships lost first year, 20 scholarship deduction for four years (More on the scholarship losses here) â– Penn State players can transfer immediately without penalty (More on transfers here) â– Loss of about $13 million in Big Ten bowl money, also to children's charities â– Four-year bowl ban and Big Ten Championship Game ban â– $60 million fine over five years, with the fine going to an endowment for children's charities â– Vacation of all wins from 1998 through 2011 (meaning Joe Paterno now ranks seventh among all D1 coaches in wins) â– Five years NCAA probation â– The NCAA-enforced creation of various oversight positions
All things considered, shutting down the program for 1-2 years and returning unimpeded would have been preferred by the program, in my opinion..
Last edited by austinponie on Mon Jul 23, 2012 10:13 am, edited 1 time in total.
The national stigma may cripple PSU football, but these sanctions won't. They are severe but by no means unprecedented. Normal stuff, you can still field a deep team with 65 scholarships. Heck, what does the NFL have 40 man rosters? The fact that this happened so fast means PSU agreed to it and feared it could have been worse. SMU remains the standard bearer. It was sickening the way SMU got as much ESPN bottom line mention yesterday as PSU. We can never get off the hook nor will we be ever allowed to move on if they won't use the DP again. This called for DP. The more you hear, its crystal clear that PSU football has to be made an example.
Last edited by Hoop Fan on Mon Jul 23, 2012 10:09 am, edited 1 time in total.
The fans can still see them play and the revenue from TV will still flow. There will not be a generation of lost fans or students. This is not comparable to the DP for long term damage. It is significant to be sure, but it doesn't destroy the program or its ability to compete and earn revenue. I do wish the NCAA would publish rules establishing when and how this unusual situation would be handled in the future. Potential for abuse by the NCAA seems to be there and I have no doubt they will abuse that power against a little fish in the future.
by the way, Baylor lost half a season in basketball due to the Bliss-Dennehy case. How does PSU not at least get a partial DP? I guess its because lost games and lost revenue is reserved for the small schools and the privates, not State U.
Last edited by Hoop Fan on Mon Jul 23, 2012 10:15 am, edited 1 time in total.
Unless the Big Ten does something additional, PS got off the hook.
While they won't be going to bowl games, they will still be getting all the money from the BCS as well as the Big Ten TV contracts.
Hell, their donations to the program have increased since this was exposed, so the monetary fine, while large is by no means devestating to a program of this size.
i dont get it, why would the Big 10 come behind the NCAA in meting out punishment? I dont see the Big 10 doing anything of any significance, why would they want to hurt their own brand?
Rebel10 wrote:SMU would have gladly accepted these type of penalties over the DP any day.
You got it. This is not even close to what we got. If there is any conformation that the NCAA will never impose the Death Penalty again this is it. One caveat - never impose it on a large FBS BCS conference team. Everyone else is still on notice.
An atheist is a guy who watches a Notre Dame-SMU football game and doesn't care who wins. -- Dwight D. Eisenhower
Hoop Fan wrote:i dont get it, why would the Big 10 come behind the NCAA in meting out punishment? I dont see the Big 10 doing anything of any significance, why would they want to hurt their own brand?
If the Big Ten doesn't sacrifice Ped. State now, the story will be spun that the conference is complicit. By sacrificing Ped. State it can insulate the brand for further tarnishing.
Rebel10 wrote:SMU would have gladly accepted these type of penalties over the DP any day.
yep, these are slightly worse than USC's recent penalties, and USC was strong enough to overcome it in short order. The stronger the program, the harsher the penalties need to be, otherwise its like water off a duck's back. On relative basis, the monetary fine and the scholarship losses will not hurt PSU very badly and vacating wins is a worthless thing. PSU isn't even losing a coach over this, most of their alums wanted paterno to retire 6 or 7 years ago and for good reason. It takes a giant ego and thirst for control to try to coach up until the day you die like Paterno did. The guy thought he was God, PSU enabled him and they all enabled Sandusky. They should get a 3 year Death Penalty in reality.
