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Rayburn wrote:Butch Davis
Dennis Franchione
Houston Nutt

Based on what? Mack has a better record than all three, has won a national championship (your three have zero), Using recruiting history, Mack is far superior at recruiting Texas than your three.

StallionsModelT wrote:Hell you could run junior high right and junior high left all game long in The American with a roster full of Mack Brown recruited studs and we'd be in contention for a conference title every year.

Sorry, but Mack can't get that kind of material to come to SMU. he can get it to come to Texas but not here.

Rayburn wrote:

StallionsModelT wrote:

Rayburn wrote:The three of those guys combined aren't even in the same universe as Mack Brown. From recruiting, winning percentage, ties to Texas, recruiting, etc..... Not even close.

Mack's early success at Texas was very often the fact that it was TEXAS. he did a good job at UNC, but the Tar Heels also have a football tradition. How did Mack do at Tulane? He was 11-23.

Now you are reaching-Mack went from 1 win to 4 wins to 6 wins and a Bowl at Tulane. "Recruit well and Count to 2 or 3"

Rayburn wrote:

StallionsModelT wrote:Hell you could run junior high right and junior high left all game long in The American with a roster full of Mack Brown recruited studs and we'd be in contention for a conference title every year.

Sorry, but Mack can't get that kind of material to come to SMU. he can get it to come to Texas but not here.

I can only assume that you are just trying to draw everyone offside at this point...

LA_Mustang wrote:

Rayburn wrote:Butch Davis
Dennis Franchione
Houston Nutt

Based on what? Mack has a better record than all three, has won a national championship (your three have zero), Using recruiting history, Mack is far superior at recruiting Texas than your three.

You can't compare across programs as if everyone is Texas or Miami or Ole Miss. We are NOT Texas, we are SMU and Mack isn't going to get what he got at Texas here. He has a reputation as a coach who can't make good recruits better, what HS player is going to come to SMU to play for a guy with that reputation?

Rayburn wrote:

StallionsModelT wrote:Hell you could run junior high right and junior high left all game long in The American with a roster full of Mack Brown recruited studs and we'd be in contention for a conference title every year.

Sorry, but Mack can't get that kind of material to come to SMU. he can get it to come to Texas but not here.

Mack would be closing deals and repairing the contacts with high school coaches. He'd hire the best staff out of all the candidates who would do the hard work in recruiting. The Key is that "Recruiting is relative to your competition" and Mack would blow his competition away in the AAC

Stallion wrote:Mack would be closing deals and repairing the contacts with high school coaches. He'd hire the best staff out of all the candidates who would do the hard work in recruiting. The Key is that "Recruiting is relevant to your competition" and Mack would blow his competition away in the AAC

That is a powerful crystal ball you have there.

As powerful as yours. Who knows but based on past performance Mack is light years ahead of your three.

You could really use any of your anti Mack Brown arguments against any one of the three you said are better than Brown.

I agree that Mack Brown was a very good football coach. I will agree with others on two points, We are not Texas, we don't have the facilities, or the budget to compete with them and we will not get the playmakers that Texas had when Mack won. The last several years of the Mack Brown Era is a direct reflection of where he was at in his career and why he was ultimately "let go". Texas got complacent, and the attitude of " It's Texas" combined with lack of discipline and strong arm recruiting got Texas to where it is now.

Mack was always a CEO coach but over the last several years of his career, he became even more removed and more of a figurehead of the program, and less of a head coach, pawning responsibility off on assistants that , as we know now, weren't capable of driving the ship.

In the last 3 years of his career, even Brown, couldn't get recruits to go to the great college football program TEXAS, with their gigantic budget, facilities, fan support, huge nike contract, and so on.

He will have none of that at SMU. While I will agree that he will have good relationships with the HS coaches, players aren't going to SMU because Mack Brown was there. In 18 year old terms, by the time the new coach is in place in January, and we are going after 16-17 kids, these kids were 10 years old when Texas was relevant.

And as far as recruiting is concerned. Mack stopped recruiting in 2006 and anyone close to the program knows that. It all became the assistants. Mack didn't go out in the spring, barely showed his face at camps, and tried to force recruits to commit in his office in july or he would retract their offer. Obviously the kids went to other schools... So there's that for recruiting.

and as far as records are concerned, he was good in his prime, the last three years of conference, he went 2-6, 4-5 and 5-6.

Careful what you wish for

Rayburn wrote:

StallionsModelT wrote:Let's see. Mack Brown inherits a Texas program mired in mediocrity in the late 90's, immediately wins and starts recruiting at an unprecedented level, goes on to win 10 games a year for more than a decade, wins a national title, goes to another national title game, two conference titles, and 4 BCS bowl wins......and somehow that is in any way a correlation to Barry Switzer with the Cowboys?!

Please tell me you're not allowed to operate heavy machinery.

How did Mack end at Texas? With discipline problems and teams that did not fulfill their potential. Mack gained a reputation among high school coaches and recruits as a coach who could not take a talented HS players and tune them into NFL-caliber talent. Mack couldn't do a durn thing with the bluechips he recruited and saw his own stock drop.

Mack Brown? No, thank you.

He had serious problems connected to the many criminals he recruited to play at UT. Don't forget the thugs who were robbing homeless people for their drugs back during the Rose Bowl year. If you take out these bad seeds and the UT recruits who understand that they are entitled to the free run of the town during their years on the team (our boosters wouldn't dare offer the types of perks these guys receive) then what kind of recruits are left for Mack in Dallas?

i advocate doing the opposite of what we think is best. we are bizarro world.

Ginuwine1984 wrote:I agree that Mack Brown was a very good football coach. I will agree with others on two points, We are not Texas, we don't have the facilities, or the budget to compete with them and we will not get the playmakers that Texas had when Mack won. The last several years of the Mack Brown Era is a direct reflection of where he was at in his career and why he was ultimately "let go". Texas got complacent, and the attitude of " It's Texas" combined with lack of discipline and strong arm recruiting got Texas to where it is now.

Mack was always a CEO coach but over the last several years of his career, he became even more removed and more of a figurehead of the program, and less of a head coach, pawning responsibility off on assistants that , as we know now, weren't capable of driving the ship.

In the last 3 years of his career, even Brown, couldn't get recruits to go to the great college football program TEXAS, with their gigantic budget, facilities, fan support, huge nike contract, and so on.

He will have none of that at SMU. While I will agree that he will have good relationships with the HS coaches, players aren't going to SMU because Mack Brown was there. In 18 year old terms, by the time the new coach is in place in January, and we are going after 16-17 kids, these kids were 10 years old when Texas was relevant.

And as far as recruiting is concerned. Mack stopped recruiting in 2006 and anyone close to the program knows that. It all became the assistants. Mack didn't go out in the spring, barely showed his face at camps, and tried to force recruits to commit in his office in july or he would retract their offer. Obviously the kids went to other schools... So there's that for recruiting.

and as far as records are concerned, he was good in his prime, the last three years of conference, he went 2-6, 4-5 and 5-6.

Careful what you wish for

Thanks for the info.

If Mack Brown was as good as y'all say he is, he'd still be at Texas.

Have you forgotten that GG came to SMU because Mack took his mind away?

Rayburn wrote:If Mack Brown was as good as y'all say he is, he'd still be at Texas.

Have you forgotten that GG came to SMU because Mack took his mind away?

Gilbert had more issues than just Mack.

Rayburn wrote:How did Mack do at Tulane? He was 11-23.

Dumbest post in the last 12 months?