Business school rankings

Danny Noonan · Post by **Danny Noonan** » Tue Jun 26, 2007 4:24 pm

Our MBA rankings have dropped drastically over the past few years. Trust me, if any of these publications had us in the Top 25, no one would see them as "worthless."

Maybe, if the Cox school had any interest in improving a horrible - and I mean HORRIBLE - career center, we'd be back where we belong.

FroggieFever · Post by **FroggieFever** » Wed Jun 27, 2007 2:55 pm

Danny Noonan wrote:Our MBA rankings have dropped drastically over the past few years. Trust me, if any of these publications had us in the Top 25, no one would see them as "worthless."

Maybe, if the Cox school had any interest in improving a horrible - and I mean HORRIBLE - career center, we'd be back where we belong.

I'm a fan of Texas Christian University's Neeley Business School as well as the University of Pennsylvania's Wharton Business School (arguably the best in the country). I can tell you that professors and administrators at BOTH institutions agree that the rankings are flawed, and most of all, misrepresented.

It's the same thing with college rankings based on academics--as a handful of professors at, say, SMU, and most will agree that they're worthless.

me@smu · Post by **me@smu** » Wed Jun 27, 2007 3:37 pm

It goes without saying that the rankings are flawed in general. There are lots of strange things like COX PMBA being one of the top programs in the nation every year...but the full-time program ranked somewhere between 35 and 70?

Point of business school is to make contacts and network and for that SMU has very few rivals. Perhaps because we all drink the coolaid!

FroggieFever · Post by **FroggieFever** » Wed Jun 27, 2007 4:50 pm

me@smu wrote:It goes without saying that the rankings are flawed in general. There are lots of strange things like COX PMBA being one of the top programs in the nation every year...but the full-time program ranked somewhere between 35 and 70?

Point of business school is to make contacts and network and for that SMU has very few rivals. Perhaps because we all drink the coolaid!

smupony94 · Post by **smupony94** » Wed Jun 27, 2007 5:15 pm

FrogieFever wrote:
me@smu wrote:It goes without saying that the rankings are flawed in general. There are lots of strange things like COX PMBA being one of the top programs in the nation every year...but the full-time program ranked somewhere between 35 and 70?

Point of business school is to make contacts and network and for that SMU has very few rivals. Perhaps because we all drink the coolaid!

Just no purple kool aid please

OC Mustang · Post by **OC Mustang** » Wed Jun 27, 2007 5:25 pm

Danny Noonan wrote:Our MBA rankings have dropped drastically over the past few years. Trust me, if any of these publications had us in the Top 25, no one would see them as "worthless."

Maybe, if the Cox school had any interest in improving a horrible - and I mean HORRIBLE - career center, we'd be back where we belong.

The Career Center sucks? I really liked Arden when she was there, but admittedly, the center had its limits. I thought when they moved it to Hughes-Trigg that it was moving up in priority. Guess not?

Danny Noonan · Post by **Danny Noonan** » Thu Jun 28, 2007 11:05 am

OC Mustang wrote:
Danny Noonan wrote:Our MBA rankings have dropped drastically over the past few years. Trust me, if any of these publications had us in the Top 25, no one would see them as "worthless."

Maybe, if the Cox school had any interest in improving a horrible - and I mean HORRIBLE - career center, we'd be back where we belong.
The Career Center sucks? I really liked Arden when she was there, but admittedly, the center had its limits. I thought when they moved it to Hughes-Trigg that it was moving up in priority. Guess not?

Cox MBA has its own career center. Ask any graduate over the past 6-7 years what the biggest flaw with the program is and I guarantee you they'll say the career center.

friarwolf · Post by **friarwolf** » Thu Jun 28, 2007 11:41 am

So do the recruiters but apparently Niemi isn't listening. Big shock..............

PonyTime · Post by **PonyTime** » Mon Jul 02, 2007 2:24 pm

friarwolf wrote:So do the recruiters but apparently Niemi isn't listening. Big shock..............

The MBA career center at Cox is a joke. US News ranks the top 70 FT MBA programs (Top 50 are listed on-line). Sure - there are flaws in the rankings - but, when your school is not even in the Top 70, you know something is wrong.

The abysmal 40%-50% MBA placement at graduation is the reason that Cox is no longer included in the US News FT rankings (to give you perspective, the University of Texas at Dallas is included in the top 70).

FT MBA is not a priority at Cox and it is evident if you are a student there. I don't think Neimi even cares - as long as there is money flowing in on the exeutive side of the house. It is sad.

friarwolf · Post by **friarwolf** » Mon Jul 02, 2007 3:59 pm

Selling out non-graduate programs is easier than improving the quality of the business program. Give Niemi credit - he has figured out how to keep his job and it has very little to do with improving the quality of the business school education. He is drafting off the improved quality of the students coming here - thank you very much top 10 percent rule.........Niemi is average at best. A change in leadership is sorely needed here but sadly, it won't happen while Turner is in charge. Turner's history is that he just won't pull the trigger on underperforming deans - unless some huge donor stops the money train and specifically demands a change.........

smupony94 · Post by **smupony94** » Mon Jul 02, 2007 5:49 pm

Kind of on topic in this week's Business Week there is an article about a SMU professor speaking on hedge funds