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I clearly saw the officilas waving their hands above their heads signaling TO with 2 seconds left. If anything was wrong with the call it was that it should have been 2 seconds instead of 1 but that would not have mattered. The kids should have held the runner up to run off the time. Had the time been a real issue, it is a reviewable call and they could have reviewed and determined the actual time. If there was that much of an argument, Bennett should have thrown the red flag and challenged, but he did not.

Sam I Am wrote:Tech's Leach is the cry baby of the Big 12. (Of course he is on to something when he suggests that we ought to have bought the referees like UT instead of the players). PB does not need to end his career as the cry baby of the CUSA. A loss is a loss. In a close game, you do not focus on just the last crucial play. There were several other times that the outcome would have been different "if only..."

I'm with Leach on that one.

Everybody, and his dog know many stories of where the refs have
protected the Whorns since the old SWC days.

mrydel wrote:I clearly saw the officilas waving their hands above their heads signaling TO with 2 seconds left. If anything was wrong with the call it was that it should have been 2 seconds instead of 1 but that would not have mattered. The kids should have held the runner up to run off the time. Had the time been a real issue, it is a reviewable call and they could have reviewed and determined the actual time. If there was that much of an argument, Bennett should have thrown the red flag and challenged, but he did not.

He has a quote in the DMN saying the referees said it wasn't reviewable and so he couldn't challenge it. I never heard a whistle or saw anyone waving their arms, not saying you didn't see it, just saying I didn't. It's in the books, so it's all academic now.

Here's a story about it. -->Story here<--

Read it twice and guess I am missing where they say it is not reviewable. It is my understanding that ball placement and time on the clock are both reviewable items I have witnessed clock resets after reviews in games this year.

The fact is they should never have let it come down to this ending. Just the penalties alone were killers all night.

mrydel wrote:Read it twice and guess I am missing where they say it is not reviewable. It is my understanding that ball placement and time on the clock are both reviewable items I have witnessed clock resets after reviews in games this year.

The fact is they should never have let it come down to this ending. Just the penalties alone were killers all night.

Right, that wasn't in that article.

It was in this one -->Other story here<--

"Bennett believed the clock ran out, but he said the officials told him the play could not be reviewed."

Ok, so it only took me 4 times reading that one to find it, even after your quote. Man it is bad to get old.

I still contend it was reviewable and would defer to the rule book of which I am too lazy to look up. It will be interesting to find out if it really is not reviewable or if the officilas were incorrect. And what did Bennett asked to be reviewed? Was it 1. when the play ended, or 2. when did they signal time out, or 3. something else? They were signaling TO when the play began.

Regardless, I am very comfortable that the TO was called in time even though very unhappy with the result.

I think I have answered my own question. Clock time is reviewable but only in the case of an on field reversal of a played that is reviewed. In other words, they would have had to reviewing the play for some other reason in order to review the clock time.

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Treadway21 wrote:The real travesty was the no call on the offensive pass interference when Lowery almost had the interception on the long ball. A two handed push right in front of the referee.

Their feet got tangled up. I considered it incidental contact. Lowery should have come up with the ball. Again, SMU has only itself to blame for allowing Rice to be in this position.

There feet got tangled up because the guy pushed him down with 2
hands

How about this. Should our defense put itself in a position where Rice is throwing the ball into the end zone? No. But because of injury, ineffectiveness, stupid penalties and etc, they deserved the result they got.

When has our defense stopped anyone, with the game on the line?

Another missed call happened on a long pass into the end zone intended for Zack Sledge during the first half. The Rice defender was completely fooled on the play, so he just tackled Sledge, keeping him from getting to the ball. A clear case of pass interference or defensive holding. Our OC went crazy going after the refs and had to be restrained by Bennett. We still drew a penalty flag a got a sideline warning. On the next play, we missed a field goal attempt.

mrydel wrote:I think I have answered my own question. Clock time is reviewable but only in the case of an on field reversal of a played that is reviewed. In other words, they would have had to reviewing the play for some other reason in order to review the clock time.

The real question is whether or not the play had been whistled dead before the clock ran out. The Rice Coaches were no doubt calling time out with 3 seconds left and I am assuming the official who was calling the time out at 2 seconds may have indeed done so and was probably over by their bench away from the play, BUT had the play been ruled dead yet when all that was going on. You can't call time out while a play is still active. Unfortunately we will never really know the answer to that.

As several others have noted, it should never had come to that situation. Why, after moving the ball all afternoon, can we not sustain a drive in the fourth quarter?...game after game. In many respects that was an entertaining game, but the ending once again left me emotionally drained. Someone last night asked me why I keep going to the games and I answered that I must be addicted to depression. That's not the real reason, but then again...

No the issue is whether they called time out and the official saw it. The play was OVER with at least 3 seconds left. I was sitting on the top row and very clearly heard the whistle before the end of the game-maybe it came over the speaker but it wasn't really that close. Rice clearly called timeout-the official clearly saw TO being called and clearly blew his whistle before the end of the game.

I agree. The official near the downed ball carrier was signaling to stop the clock with 2 or 3 seconds left. There were at least 2 or 3 Rice players signaling time out at that time. I was not even looking at the bench. I was watching the field of play and the player was down and the time out was called in time. As a matter of fact I was thinking to myself that we had a good home field time keeper to have allowed it to continue, but I knew it would be reset. This is not why we lost the game and is not a reason we should have won the game. There were plenty of other reasons for that.

Plain and simple, the refs did not cost us this game, we did. We did not manage the clock well in the 4th quarter with a lead. We did not execute well on offense or defense. We got called for a penalty on every kick and punt because we were breaking the rules.

MustangStealth wrote:Plain and simple, the refs did not cost us this game, we did. We did not manage the clock well in the 4th quarter with a lead. We did not execute well on offense or defense. We got called for a penalty on every kick and punt because we were breaking the rules.

I agree that we deserve to lose if we can not play any better than we did with a 15 point lead in the 4th quarter. However, the refs need to be honest on BOTH sides of the ball and when I see OBVIOUS chop blocks and a push in the back that SHOULD have been penalties against THEIR team, I wonder what these CLOWNS are looking at!