SMU can be competitive, if it wants to be

mathman · Post by **mathman** » Tue Nov 27, 2007 1:57 pm

LonghornFan68 wrote:I can't see how the Bush Library is a win for anyone. Will there even be any books? After all, I'm pretty sure he can't even read.:D

Hmmm. So you are saying he is a graduate of the University of Texas??

LonghornFan68 · Post by **LonghornFan68** » Tue Nov 27, 2007 1:59 pm

mathman wrote:
LonghornFan68 wrote:I can't see how the Bush Library is a win for anyone. Will there even be any books? After all, I'm pretty sure he can't even read.:D

Hmmm. So you are saying he is a graduate of the University of Texas??

Yay, education smack! Even when Texas continues to be ranked ahead of SMU as an institution and in most (all?) individual college categories. But yeah, he must be. :roll:

No, Bush is a tool and feel bad that SMU is stuck with his library.

Alaric · Post by **Alaric** » Tue Nov 27, 2007 2:00 pm

Stallion wrote:Of course SMU can be competitive-if you'd like I'll send you my 42 point Stallion's Model to Competitive Division 1A Football

just post it on a new thread. i'd seriously like to see it. i'm guessing by now you really do have it written out...i want to see how different it would be from a lot of us want - i know by now it includes putting us on a pretty much even keel for JUCO's, somewhat easier academic standards but noallowance for "non-qualifiers", an athletics friendly major though i think you've said in the past creating those majors aren't easy...a coach who can recruit...what else?

SMU89 · Post by **SMU89** » Tue Nov 27, 2007 2:46 pm

thefamousguy wrote:
SMU89 wrote:Cowboys moving to Arlington and increased price should be a positive for SMU.

I would also add the Bush library as a positive as it will bring more national attention to SMU.

Neither of these will affect SMU football. Wins inside & outside of Ford stadium by SMU will determine attendance. People don't decide between going to the Cowboys game and SMU. It just doesn't happen.

Library:
I would assume the new coach would rather have the national attention being brought to SMU rather than not.

Cowboys:
Agree - there is no decision between Cowboys vs. SMU - never brought that up. What I implied -- People have to decide what they are willing to spend and how far they are willing to drive. I know several people living in Highland Park/Dallas who have been Cowboys season ticket holders for 10+ years. While they love the Cowboys and football, they have no interest in paying for a PSL and $300+ per seat so they can drive to Arlington. There will be money that used to be spent going to Cowboys/Football sitting right in SMU's backyard. There is an opportunity for SMU to try to get these people interested in a program right in their back yard.

Rebel_Pony · Post by **Rebel_Pony** » Tue Nov 27, 2007 2:54 pm

The fact of the matter is that Highland Park HS has been drawing larger crowds than SMU of late. Competing with the Cowboys should not be a concern - having a few winning seasons, however, should draw some Cowboys fans not willing to pay exorbitant prices to Ford Stadium to watch some local football.

friarwolf · Post by **friarwolf** » Tue Nov 27, 2007 3:01 pm

LonghornFan68 wrote:
mathman wrote:
LonghornFan68 wrote:I can't see how the Bush Library is a win for anyone. Will there even be any books? After all, I'm pretty sure he can't even read.:D

Hmmm. So you are saying he is a graduate of the University of Texas??

Yay, education smack! Even when Texas continues to be ranked ahead of SMU as an institution and in most (all?) individual college categories. But yeah, he must be.

No, Bush is a tool and feel bad that SMU is stuck with his library.

Enjoy those rankings while you can. That top 10% rule is slowing but surely destroying the quality of your university....check out those incoming average sat scores for your freshman classes the past couple of years versus smu. tu used to outdistance us by 200 points. not any more.......

EastStang · Post by **EastStang** » Tue Nov 27, 2007 3:22 pm

Regarding how the library might positively impact athletics when combined with SMU's other strengths. Parents drag their 6'6" 325 son to see the Bush Library when they visit SMU one summer. That of course happens to coincide with Cheerleader camp and many hot young teenage women are cavorting across campus. He of course figures thats what the entire student body looks like (which is not far from reality) and decides this is the place he wants to be. If you think that is far from reality, my first glimpse of SMU was in August with young scanitly clad women all over campus. Up until then, SMU was not even on my radar, and it became my first choice. Anything that might get a young athlete onto our campus gets us that much closer to sealing the deal.

dcpony · Post by **dcpony** » Tue Nov 27, 2007 3:30 pm

EastStang wrote:Regarding how the library might positively impact athletics when combined with SMU's other strengths. Parents drag their 6'6" 325 son to see the Bush Library when they visit SMU one summer

Yeah right, maybe if that player is white and from the Park Cities or North Dallas.

Are you stuck in 1955?

Ideally I'd like to see the next coach recruit guys from Carter, Skyline, Kimball, Madison, (Houston), Yates (Houston), University (Waco) etc...And I'm pretty confident these guys' parents aren't going to want to check out the Bush library....unless they want a good laugh.

Arkpony · Post by **Arkpony** » Tue Nov 27, 2007 3:39 pm

You Naysayers about the Bush Library are out of touch with reality. Here in Little Rock, the Clinton Library has been an overwhelming success, drawing in hundreds of thousands of visitors and LOTS of money to the area.

Just because one doesnt care for Bush (How many hate the Clintons?) ,means nothing in terms of attraction to the site.

It is a fabulous addition to SMU that cannot but help it's stature in all areas.[/u][/list]

mrydel · Post by **mrydel** » Tue Nov 27, 2007 3:42 pm

Arkpony wrote:You Naysayers about the Bush Library are out of touch with reality. Here in Little Rock, the Clinton Library has been an overwhelming success, drawing in hundreds of thousands of visitors and LOTS of money to the area.

Just because one doesnt care for Bush (How many hate the Clintons?) ,means nothing in terms of attraction to the site.

It is a fabulous addition to SMU that cannot but help it's stature in all areas.[/u][/list]

Thank you for the wise words Judge. And correct me if I am wrong but you tend to lean a little to the left and still make that statement. I lean to the right and echo.

dcpony · Post by **dcpony** » Tue Nov 27, 2007 3:44 pm

Arkpony wrote:You Naysayers about the Bush Library are out of touch with reality. Here in Little Rock, the Clinton Library has been an overwhelming success, drawing in hundreds of thousands of visitors and LOTS of money to the area.

Just because one doesnt care for Bush (How many hate the Clintons?) ,means nothing in terms of attraction to the site.

It is a fabulous addition to SMU that cannot but help it's stature in all areas.[/u][/list]

Does "George Bush doesn't care about black people" ring a bell?

mrydel · Post by **mrydel** » Tue Nov 27, 2007 3:45 pm

dcpony wrote:
Arkpony wrote:You Naysayers about the Bush Library are out of touch with reality. Here in Little Rock, the Clinton Library has been an overwhelming success, drawing in hundreds of thousands of visitors and LOTS of money to the area.

Just because one doesnt care for Bush (How many hate the Clintons?) ,means nothing in terms of attraction to the site.

It is a fabulous addition to SMU that cannot but help it's stature in all areas.[/u][/list]

Does "George Bush doesn't care about black people" ring a bell?

Does "Clinton is the first black President " make you giggle?

jtstang · Post by **jtstang** » Tue Nov 27, 2007 3:46 pm

I think in order to have a meaningful discussion about the library, we have to differentiate between the library whcih would have some SMU control, and the "policy institute" which would not. Speaking as something of a naysayer, I object not to the library, but to the policy institute, as it will be a Dubya cheerleading camp controlled by Dubya people, on the campus of a private university whose mission ought to be unrestrained political discourse.

EastStang · Post by **EastStang** » Tue Nov 27, 2007 3:47 pm

No, I'm not stuck in 1955, but 18 year old guys are still hard wired the same way. They teach that in biology. And so what if its a white, black, brown, yellow or red skinned guy, if he can play football, no matter what his color is and he happens by, he's gonna look at SMU in a way he never looked before once he sets foot on campus. Are you telling me that SMU a Presidential Library will not bring teenagers to SMU campus? Then you're dreaming. Having grown up in suburban DC (and by your moniker you must be familiar with my home city), we had to go on field trips to the Capitol, the White House, the Smithsonian, and Mt. Vernon. I suspect that when the Library gets to SMU, the DISD will have somewhat mandatory field trips for government and history classes to the Library. So, bored kids may not care what the oval office looked like, but Carrie Co-Ed might just catch their eye when they visit.

dcpony · Post by **dcpony** » Tue Nov 27, 2007 3:50 pm

mrydel wrote:
dcpony wrote:
Arkpony wrote:You Naysayers about the Bush Library are out of touch with reality. Here in Little Rock, the Clinton Library has been an overwhelming success, drawing in hundreds of thousands of visitors and LOTS of money to the area.

Just because one doesnt care for Bush (How many hate the Clintons?) ,means nothing in terms of attraction to the site.

It is a fabulous addition to SMU that cannot but help it's stature in all areas.[/u][/list]

Does "George Bush doesn't care about black people" ring a bell?

Does "Clinton is the first black President. " Make you giggle?

I'm not saying SMU shouldn't have the library

But I do know most of the best D-1 prospects are usually African- American. And I feel comfortable saying their parents are probably not fans of Dubbya. Those of you who expect Dubbya's library to help in recruiting are delusional, if any thing it might hurt.