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I, for one, do not think this type of offense can be
successful against good defenses (read: Georgia)

68 we are taking baby steps.

How do you define "good defenses"?.....Top 10?

We don't need to be worrying about whether we can
beat the Georgia's, Ohio State's, USC, and Michigan's at this
juncture.

We are trying to "buy a nice house, not a mansion".

We can be very successful in CUSA with the Junes Jones
offense. We can have an exciting team that scores alot
of points and wins some games.

Could we compete with your Longhorns?
No....but thats not the goal for now.

We don't & won't be playing Georgia or dominant upper
level Top 10 teams more than once a year at most.

Once we are winning CUSA, going to Bowls, ect....
worrying about how our offense matches up against
Top 10 teams will be a good problem to have.....
I wish we had that problem right now!

68 I wouldn't really worry about it....at least not yet.

Insane_Pony_Posse wrote:I, for one, do not think this type of offense can be
successful against good defenses (read: Georgia)

68 we are taking baby steps.

How do you define "good defenses"?.....Top 10?

We don't need to be worrying about whether we can
beat the Georgia's, Ohio State's, USC, and Michigan's at this
juncture.

We are trying to "buy a nice house, not a mansion".

We can be very successful in CUSA with the Junes Jones
offense. We can have an exciting team that scores alot
of points and wins some games.

Could we compete with your Longhorns?
No....but thats not the goal for now.

We don't & won't be playing Georgia or dominant upper
level Top 10 teams more than once a year at most.

Once we are winning CUSA, going to Bowls, ect....
worrying about how our offense matches up against
Top 10 teams will be a good problem to have.....
I wish we had that problem right now!

68 I wouldn't really worry about it....at least not yet.

I tend to agree. However, I think the goals for this program should be as follows:

1. Winning season
2. Bowl game
3. Top 25 finish
4. Win CUSA
5. Win CUSA consistently
6. Go undefeated
7. Vie for a BCS game, possibly a MNC

I think 1-3 can be easily achieved if JJ follows the same path he employed at Hawaii (with the exception of crashing into concrete abutments -I kid because I love). However, I think 4-7 will take some finesse. It is my opinion that the only weakness with Jones' strategy is his use - or lack thereof - of a traditional running game.

But this is just my perception. I could be, and probably am, completely wrong. I hope I am.

2112 wrote:does he throw to the back much, besides the shuttle pass?

Shuffle.

LonghornFan68 wrote:

2112 wrote:does he throw to the back much, besides the shuttle pass?

Shuffle.

Shovel.

LonghornFan68 wrote:

2112 wrote:does he throw to the back much, besides the shuttle pass?

Shuffle.

It actually originated as "shovel"

2112 wrote:does he throw to the back much, besides the shuttle pass?

Lots of screens and shovel passes.

mrydel wrote:

LonghornFan68 wrote:

2112 wrote:does he throw to the back much, besides the shuttle pass?

Shuffle.

It actually originated as "shovel"

Haha. I know. I just love the debate.

CalallenStang wrote:

LonghornFan68 wrote:

2112 wrote:does he throw to the back much, besides the shuttle pass?

Shuffle.

Shovel.

Utah.

Sorry, guys, couldn't resist.

Insane_Pony_Posse wrote:I, for one, do not think this type of offense can be
successful against good defenses (read: Georgia)

Put it this way... you give Hawaii Georgia's O-line, Hawaii wins that game. If the QB has time in this offense... 2-3 seconds... they will march up and down the field. Brennan had 1 second and less the majority of the time in that game.

If we win 9 games a year I don't care if we ever run the ball again.

LonghornFan68 wrote:... and that could potentially affect SMU down the road. His penchant for high-powered, pass-attack offenses really leaves no room for a back like Martin. I watched several Hawaii games this season including as much as I could stomach of the Sugar Bowl and I noticed that Hawaii often ran 5-wide sets and rarely rant the ball. Is this ok with the Ponyfans crowd? I, for one, do not think this type of offense can be successful against good defenses (read: Georgia). I see Texas Tech employ a similar offense and while I would contend that they are successful, I don't think they can be as successful as other teams that have more balance. Am I off-base here?

WHO CARES AS LONG AS HE WINS!

By the way we don't play in the SEC so if we happen to meet an SEC team win or lose something has gone very well for us! Can't you guys just enjoy a victory without looking for holes in every single situation.

TheBestAvailable wrote:

LonghornFan68 wrote:... and that could potentially affect SMU down the road. His penchant for high-powered, pass-attack offenses really leaves no room for a back like Martin. I watched several Hawaii games this season including as much as I could stomach of the Sugar Bowl and I noticed that Hawaii often ran 5-wide sets and rarely rant the ball. Is this ok with the Ponyfans crowd? I, for one, do not think this type of offense can be successful against good defenses (read: Georgia). I see Texas Tech employ a similar offense and while I would contend that they are successful, I don't think they can be as successful as other teams that have more balance. Am I off-base here?

WHO CARES AS LONG AS HE WINS!

By the way we don't play in the SEC so if we happen to meet an SEC team win or lose something has gone very well for us! Can't you guys just enjoy a victory without looking for holes in every single situation.

Heaven forbid we don't just lay back and sing rah-rah-rah rather than actually analyzing the situation and making judgments about perceived levels of success.

For the record, I think this is a phenomenal hire and I really don't think SMU could have done better (thank gawd it wasn't Fran-cakes).

Please don't take my comments as being criticizing. It's not my intent.

CalallenStang wrote:

CalallenStang wrote:

LonghornFan68 wrote:

2112 wrote:does he throw to the back much, besides the shuttle pass?

Shuffle.

Shovel.

Utah.

Sorry, guys, couldn't resist.

Actually from an originatioon stand point I think you are correct. As it became popular at other schools the term shovel then was used.

LonghornFan68 wrote:

Insane_Pony_Posse wrote:I, for one, do not think this type of offense can be
successful against good defenses (read: Georgia)

68 we are taking baby steps.

How do you define "good defenses"?.....Top 10?

We don't need to be worrying about whether we can
beat the Georgia's, Ohio State's, USC, and Michigan's at this
juncture.

We are trying to "buy a nice house, not a mansion".

We can be very successful in CUSA with the Junes Jones
offense. We can have an exciting team that scores alot
of points and wins some games.

Could we compete with your Longhorns?
No....but thats not the goal for now.

We don't & won't be playing Georgia or dominant upper
level Top 10 teams more than once a year at most.

Once we are winning CUSA, going to Bowls, ect....
worrying about how our offense matches up against
Top 10 teams will be a good problem to have.....
I wish we had that problem right now!

68 I wouldn't really worry about it....at least not yet.

I tend to agree. However, I think the goals for this program should be as follows:

1. Winning season
2. Bowl game
3. Top 25 finish
4. Win CUSA
5. Win CUSA consistently
6. Go undefeated
7. Vie for a BCS game, possibly a MNC

I think 1-3 can be easily achieved if JJ follows the same path he employed at Hawaii (with the exception of crashing into concrete abutments -I kid because I love). However, I think 4-7 will take some finesse. It is my opinion that the only weakness with Jones' strategy is his use - or lack thereof - of a traditional running game.

But this is just my perception. I could be, and probably am, completely wrong. I hope I am.

Being in CUSA, we will probably have to do 4-5 before we get 3.