The DNC...

ThadFilms · Post by **ThadFilms** » Wed Aug 27, 2008 9:16 am

Dooby wrote:... if he doesn't, the democratic party ought to just fold up shop and let the Greens try; they have everything going for them this year.

I agree with that.... I just think the whole primary season was just a disaster for them, we'll see what the DNC does for the healing of the party.

George S. Patton · Post by **George S. Patton** » Wed Aug 27, 2008 9:23 am

The election blows. Both candidates are so weak.

Dooby · Post by **Dooby** » Wed Aug 27, 2008 9:25 am

jtstang wrote:Which part is utter nonsense? It better be the second part, because the first part is true.

And I am going to jail at the W tomorrow from 4-6. Stop by if you want.

I will agree that you were talking to your wife and that she is always right.

ponyboy · Post by **ponyboy** » Wed Aug 27, 2008 9:29 am

jtstang wrote:
couch 'em wrote:The Republicans are probably toast. They deserve this for shifting from Republican views to Religious Right views.
The ironic thing is that as much as the Republicans love to rattle their sabres in the direction of the Mideast theocracy de jour for allowing religion to dictate policy, by kowtowing to the extreme evangelical right they are advocating a de facto theocracy for America. It's ridiculous.

My wife and I were talking about this the other night, and she's correct. We need to pass election laws where disclosing your religious preference or views is simply not allowed.

This is one of the most illiberal posts I've seen in a while, jt. Wow.

couch 'em · Post by **couch 'em** » Wed Aug 27, 2008 10:02 am

jtstang wrote:
couch 'em wrote:The Republicans are probably toast. They deserve this for shifting from Republican views to Religious Right views.
The ironic thing is that as much as the Republicans love to rattle their sabres in the direction of the Mideast theocracy de jour for allowing religion to dictate policy, by kowtowing to the extreme evangelical right they are advocating a de facto theocracy for America. It's ridiculous.

My wife and I were talking about this the other night, and she's correct. We need to pass election laws where disclosing your religious preference or views is simply not allowed.

What really gets me is that now even the democrats are in bed with radical religious views. Obama's (former) preacher is a racist and a nutcase, and Obama went to hear him every Sunday for 20 years.

What I wouldn't give for an openly agnostic candidate who is consistent in his political views no matter who he is talking to. I'd vote for that guy on principle even if I disagreed with what he said. As it stands now, I'm going to have to vote for a 3rd party in protest. I'm thinking libertarian - Bob Barr is a fun name to say.

ponyboy · Post by **ponyboy** » Wed Aug 27, 2008 10:04 am

To quote William Bennett:

A cultural divide exists in this nation. Where we can bridge the divide├â┬ó├óΓÇÜ┬¼"where liberals and conservatives can find common ground├â┬ó├óΓÇÜ┬¼"we should. Where we cannot, we should engage in a robust, spirited, civilized debate. But people of goodwill should not allow this vital national debate to be sidetracked by mudslingers.

Our political culture has sunk to the point where people who have time-honored religious beliefs that inform their politics now become the object of scorn and ridicule. On the issues, the "religious Right" now stand where most Americans stood 30 years ago. The irony is that the critics of the "Christian Right" are often guilty of the things they profess to be offended by: intolerance, mean-spiritedness, divisiveness, and even bigotry.

jtstang · Post by **jtstang** » Wed Aug 27, 2008 10:22 am

ponyboy wrote:
jtstang wrote:
couch 'em wrote:The Republicans are probably toast. They deserve this for shifting from Republican views to Religious Right views.
The ironic thing is that as much as the Republicans love to rattle their sabres in the direction of the Mideast theocracy de jour for allowing religion to dictate policy, by kowtowing to the extreme evangelical right they are advocating a de facto theocracy for America. It's ridiculous.

My wife and I were talking about this the other night, and she's correct. We need to pass election laws where disclosing your religious preference or views is simply not allowed.
This is one of the most illiberal posts I've seen in a while, jt. Wow.

illiberal ? I'm going to have to look that one up, but I'm telling you right now that I like it.

Dooby · Post by **Dooby** » Wed Aug 27, 2008 11:03 am

ponyboy wrote:To quote William Bennett:

A cultural divide exists in this nation. Where we can bridge the divide├â┬ó├óΓÇÜ┬¼"where liberals and conservatives can find common ground├â┬ó├óΓÇÜ┬¼"we should. Where we cannot, we should engage in a robust, spirited, civilized debate. But people of goodwill should not allow this vital national debate to be sidetracked by mudslingers.

Our political culture has sunk to the point where people who have time-honored religious beliefs that inform their politics now become the object of scorn and ridicule. On the issues, the "religious Right" now stand where most Americans stood 30 years ago. The irony is that the critics of the "Christian Right" are often guilty of the things they profess to be offended by: intolerance, mean-spiritedness, divisiveness, and even bigotry.

Few have taken more grief more undeservedly than Bill Bennett. Great dude and either party should be glad to have him.

expony18 · Post by **expony18** » Wed Aug 27, 2008 11:21 am

thad do you ever sleep?

jtstang · Post by **jtstang** » Wed Aug 27, 2008 11:24 am

Dooby wrote:
ponyboy wrote:To quote William Bennett:

A cultural divide exists in this nation. Where we can bridge the divide├â┬ó├óΓÇÜ┬¼"where liberals and conservatives can find common ground├â┬ó├óΓÇÜ┬¼"we should. Where we cannot, we should engage in a robust, spirited, civilized debate. But people of goodwill should not allow this vital national debate to be sidetracked by mudslingers.

Our political culture has sunk to the point where people who have time-honored religious beliefs that inform their politics now become the object of scorn and ridicule. On the issues, the "religious Right" now stand where most Americans stood 30 years ago. The irony is that the critics of the "Christian Right" are often guilty of the things they profess to be offended by: intolerance, mean-spiritedness, divisiveness, and even bigotry.
Few have taken more grief more undeservedly than Bill Bennett. Great dude and either party should be glad to have him.

Any relation to Phil? There's a guy who's taken some grief. Not sure how undeservedly.

couch 'em · Post by **couch 'em** » Wed Aug 27, 2008 11:28 am

The issue, at least with me, isn't politicians using religion as the basis of their political beliefs, but pandering to those beliefs and ignoring other principles. The republican party has become a parody of trumpeting gay marriage and abortion and completely giving up on concepts like small government, fiscal responsibility, states rights, individual rights, and NOT being world police.

ponyte · Post by **ponyte** » Wed Aug 27, 2008 11:54 am

Conventions once picked candidates, now they are infomercials. Once, Goobernment actually screwed up every now and then did something right. Now, it is a matter of picking the clowns that will do the least damage while in office. Watching a convention is like watching to see who gets picked to rape me. I know I am going to get screwed. There is no need to make a celebration of the clown who gets picked to screw me.

MustangStealth · Post by **MustangStealth** » Wed Aug 27, 2008 12:41 pm

ponyte wrote: There is no need to make a celebration of the clown who gets picked to screw me.

TWSS

ThadFilms · Post by **ThadFilms** » Wed Aug 27, 2008 1:01 pm

expony18 wrote:thad do you ever sleep?

No, apparently not.

J.T.supporta · Post by **J.T.supporta** » Wed Aug 27, 2008 1:08 pm

ThadFilms wrote:
expony18 wrote:thad do you ever sleep?
No, apparently not.

Sleep is overrated.