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Posted: Tue Oct 14, 2008 10:03 am
by bigdaddy08091
RGV Pony wrote:bigdaddy08091 wrote:03Mustang wrote:http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Run_and_shoot#Passing_Game_Success
And BYU doesn't run the run and shoot and never has. Just further shows you don't know [deleted].
They were the first to run it in the late 70 to early 80's. The old offensive coordinator that went to Louisville with Kragthope (eventually getting fired) was the offensive coord or QB coach? Long time ago, sorry for the skipping around but I can look it up and get back to you. Leach was on his staff and learned the system later on as well as the UH and later JJ. BYU won national championship in 80 i believe. Actually 1984 with Robbie Bosco. Coach was Lavell Edwards.
their offensive coordinator from 82-99...their most successful years and the era of which you speak.. and QB coach was Norm Chow.
You may be right I could not get the my link up to see he the QB coach was. That was a great bunch of coaches that later became innovative. JJ wa the only one to stick with the so called run and shoot.
Posted: Tue Oct 14, 2008 10:04 am
by 03Mustang
No, BYU has never run the Run and Shoot. NEVER.
It is (and was) a passing based attack but is more like the spread. Check your facts.
Re: This Miracle on Mockingbird won't be performed in 3 hrs.
Posted: Tue Oct 14, 2008 10:05 am
by jtstang
bigdaddy08091 wrote:I did pretty good on that one, yea? You never answered my question about National Championship. The answer is BYU with Jim McMann. This is a gimmick offense unless we can field a team like TT who consistently go 8-4. Our recruiting will never be THAT good. Get my point!
You were close. That BYU 1984 National Championship team was qb'd by Robbie Bosco. But Lavell Edwards did run some version of the Run and Shoot, as I recall.
Posted: Tue Oct 14, 2008 10:06 am
by bigdaddy08091
03Mustang wrote:No, BYU has never run the Run and Shoot. NEVER.
It is a passing based attack but is more like the spread. Check your facts.
The only reason they won the national championship that year was the offense they ran. 4 - 5 wide and throwing the ball on every down. Lavell Edwards was one of the first.
Posted: Tue Oct 14, 2008 10:08 am
by RGV Pony
bigdaddy08091 wrote: Leach was on his staff and learned the system later on as well as the UH and later JJ.
Leach was a student at BYU until 1983. He did not play football. From 83 to 86, he was at Pepperdine going to law school. So when was he "on the staff" and "learning the system"? As an undergrad student manager?
Re: This Miracle on Mockingbird won't be performed in 3 hrs...
Posted: Tue Oct 14, 2008 10:09 am
by ThadFilms
Mustang1991 wrote:We've waited 20+ years. A few more won' t kill us. You gotta have faith, to quote a song from my schooldays.
Well I guess it would be nice,
If I could give my heart away....
Posted: Tue Oct 14, 2008 10:24 am
by bigdaddy08091
RGV Pony wrote:bigdaddy08091 wrote: Leach was on his staff and learned the system later on as well as the UH and later JJ.
Leach was a student at BYU until 1983. He did not play football. From 83 to 86, he was at Pepperdine going to law school. So when was he "on the staff" and "learning the system"? As an undergrad student manager?
He was part of that fraternity of coaches learning and implementing what Lavell Edwards was doing at BYU. Leach happened along later down the road. I don't feal like digging up all the stuff just trust me.
Posted: Tue Oct 14, 2008 10:26 am
by bigdaddy08091
03Mustang wrote:No, BYU has never run the Run and Shoot. NEVER.
It is (and was) a passing based attack but is more like the spread. Check your facts.
BYU is where it started. Research 03, do your research.
Posted: Tue Oct 14, 2008 11:06 am
by Alaric
bigdaddy08091 wrote:03Mustang wrote:No, BYU has never run the Run and Shoot. NEVER.
It is (and was) a passing based attack but is more like the spread. Check your facts.
BYU is where it started. Research 03, do your research.
or maybe at Portland State with Mouse Davis
Posted: Tue Oct 14, 2008 11:13 am
by ponyte
OK, if not in 3 hours, then how long? What is a reasonable expectation?
Posted: Tue Oct 14, 2008 11:13 am
by jtstang
ponyte wrote:OK, if not in 3 hours, then how long? What is a reasonable expectation?
No expectation is reasonable.
Posted: Tue Oct 14, 2008 11:18 am
by ponyte
jtstang wrote:ponyte wrote:OK, if not in 3 hours, then how long? What is a reasonable expectation?
No expectation is reasonable.
I can see the title of your book, No Great Expectations.
Posted: Tue Oct 14, 2008 11:28 am
by jtstang
No, my first book will focus on the youthful hip hop origins of that well known R&B group the California Raisins. It will be called "The Grapes of Rap."
Posted: Tue Oct 14, 2008 11:33 am
by mrydel
jtstang wrote:No, my first book will focus on the youthful hip hop origins of that well known R&B group the California Raisins. It will be called "The Grapes of Rap."
I guess you also wrote that famous Hymn the children all love:
Gladly the Cross Eyed Bear.
Posted: Tue Oct 14, 2008 12:12 pm
by 03Mustang
bigdaddy08091 wrote:03Mustang wrote:No, BYU has never run the Run and Shoot. NEVER.
It is (and was) a passing based attack but is more like the spread. Check your facts.
BYU is where it started. Research 03, do your research.
Alaric is right - the run and shoot was developed by Mouse Davis at Portland State based on Ohio HS coach Glenn Ellison's offensive scheme. Can you produce one shred of evidence that says the run and shoot started at BYU? Good luck.