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Re: NCAA Investigation Documents of Reggie Bush
Posted: Thu Feb 25, 2010 3:08 pm
by EastStang
Toward the end of the pay for play at SMU, the slushfund guys went rogue. Stopovich (sp?) was not on the coaches radar to recruit (Collins told me he didn't recruit him), but the slushfund guys went after him. When his playing time didn't match his expectations, "hello, Channel 8, have I got a story for you". Yes, the slushfund guys were on the Board of Governors at SMU, so there is a difference. But as far as the coaching staff was concerned, they pretty much acted like Sergent Shultz and turned a blind eye to what was going on. Same can be said for USC. While it wasn't university officials, it was sports agents talking up USC to these kids to keep them close. I'd bet Peter Carroll suspected something, but didn't press it because it benefitted his program. Lack of Institutional control equals probation and no bowl appearances for San Diego State.
Re: NCAA Investigation Documents of Reggie Bush
Posted: Thu Feb 25, 2010 4:42 pm
by SoCal_Pony
Speaking of Catholics,
I have always equated the current state of college athletics (men's FB/BB) with the pedophile priests in the Catholic church.
Are prominent individuals and institutions breaking rules & laws?
YESAre many habitual offenders?
YESDo these institutions put themselves in higher esteem to the general public?
YESIs perception different than reality?
YES Is this newsworthy?
YESWill the media do a meaningful story to expose this blatant hypocrisy?
NOSuggested reading for all who think USC or SMU deserves harsh punishment for their 'crimes'
http://www.amazon.com/Emperors-Clothes-Hans-Christian-Andersen/dp/0618344209/ref=sr_1_1?ie=UTF8&s=books&qid=1267134054&sr=1-1
Re: NCAA Investigation Documents of Reggie Bush
Posted: Thu Feb 25, 2010 4:51 pm
by Samurai Stang
SoCal_Pony wrote:Speaking of Catholics,
I have always equated the current state of college athletics (men's FB/BB) with the pedophile priests in the Catholic church.
Are prominent individuals and institutions breaking rules & laws? YES
Are many habitual offenders? YES
Do these institutions put themselves in higher esteem to the general public? YES
Is perception different than reality? YES
Is this newsworthy? YES
Will the media do a meaningful story to expose this blatant hypocrisy? NO
So now the American media likes the Catholic Church?? Much has changed since I was last in America for football...
Re: NCAA Investigation Documents of Reggie Bush
Posted: Thu Feb 25, 2010 11:26 pm
by CalallenStang
SoCal_Pony wrote:Speaking of Catholics,
I have always equated the current state of college athletics (men's FB/BB) with the pedophile priests in the Catholic church.
Are prominent individuals and institutions breaking rules & laws? YES
Are many habitual offenders? YES
Do these institutions put themselves in higher esteem to the general public? YES
Is perception different than reality? YES
Is this newsworthy? YES
Will the media do a meaningful story to expose this blatant hypocrisy? NO
Wrong. The media HATES the Catholic Church.
It's not a WIDESPREAD problem anymore than it is in any other denomination, but you don't see the media covering this in any other denomination.
From Wikipedia, with a link to an audio source:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Catholic_s ... .un.org-17In a statement, read out by Archbishop Silvano Maria Tomasi in September 2009, the Holy See stated "We know now that in the last 50 years somewhere between 1.5% and 5% of the Catholic clergy has been involved in sexual abuse cases," adding that this figure was comparable with that of other groups and denominations.[18]
The media, by saying that this was a widespread problem in the Catholic church while ignoring other denominations, demonstrated a decidedly anti-Catholic policy. To suggest otherwise is ignorant of the facts.
And before you ask, yes, I am Catholic and no, I've never been molested by a priest (and don't plan to be either).
Re: NCAA Investigation Documents of Reggie Bush
Posted: Fri Feb 26, 2010 9:52 am
by EastStang
I think because of the vows of celebacy, it creates more hoopla. But there are lots of examples of protestant ministers and rabbi's for messing with boys and girls. There was a Rabbi caught in one of those NBC stings awhile back. I think the real problem for the Church were the cover-ups. When these guys were found out, they were just transferred to another parish after perhaps a few months at a monastery. The church kept no sex offender registry.
Re: NCAA Investigation Documents of Reggie Bush
Posted: Fri Feb 26, 2010 10:17 am
by CalallenStang
EastStang wrote:I think because of the vows of celebacy, it creates more hoopla. But there are lots of examples of protestant ministers and rabbi's for messing with boys and girls. There was a Rabbi caught in one of those NBC stings awhile back. I think the real problem for the Church were the cover-ups. When these guys were found out, they were just transferred to another parish after perhaps a few months at a monastery. The church kept no sex offender registry.
That is a problem and now some of them have been moved to other places. Cardinal Law is in Rome now.
Re: NCAA Investigation Documents of Reggie Bush
Posted: Fri Feb 26, 2010 1:14 pm
by SoCal_Pony
The American media was absolutely silent about the pedophile priest problem for decades. The Boston diocese 'troubles' was a tipping point that finally got the media reporting on this abuse. I was hoping that at strong defense by SMU of its DP charges would have likewise been an ah-hah moment for the media and the truth would have finally been told, ergo my little boy / Emperor's clothes reference. Maybe this USC story will, but I doubt it.
As to your point of abuse occurring equally throughout religions, I simply don't by it, and quoting Archbishops won't sway me one bit. ES says the vows of celibacy creates more 'hoopla'. He is either being too polite or too PC. While it may be idealistic, it certainly is unnatural. It is also a recipe for disaster.
How about this from the National Center on Child Abuse and Neglect. 1995 survey of 19,000 treating professionals found that in the US 94% of abuses by religious authorities were sexual in nature. Over half of these cases (54%) involved perpetrators and victims who were Catholic, even though Roman Catholics comprise only 25% of the United States population. The minor victims of priest abuse are overwhelmingly boys and teenagers, which is contrary to the pattern of abuse in the general population.
Re: NCAA Investigation Documents of Reggie Bush
Posted: Fri Feb 26, 2010 1:25 pm
by VarsityShop
One out of every 33 women who regularly attend a house of worship has been the target of sexual advances by a religious leader.
Re: NCAA Investigation Documents of Reggie Bush
Posted: Fri Feb 26, 2010 1:37 pm
by smupony94
Statistics lie
Re: NCAA Investigation Documents of Reggie Bush
Posted: Fri Feb 26, 2010 1:45 pm
by Insane_Pony_Posse
VarsityShop wrote:One out of every 33 women who regularly attend a house of worship has been the target of sexual advances by a religious leader.
thats pretty freaking amazing when ya think the demographics of a typical church
would have to include quite a few blue hairs out of the 33 women and a predator pastor
would most likely have no interest in them...
Re: NCAA Investigation Documents of Reggie Bush
Posted: Fri Feb 26, 2010 2:11 pm
by peruna81
uuuhhhhhhh....back to USC/SMU penalties.
There will be a significant slap on the wrist to USC for the wrongdoing, a stern letter, and a great deal of 'harrumphing' about by the media...and then on to other things. What was Tiger's newest mistress's name?
Anyone remotely suggesting that USC and SMU will be treated in the same way by the NCAA is fooling him/herself. The situation ( as stated MANY times before by Stallion, et al) is markedly different. The revenue generated by USC is markedly different as well.
The NCAA will protect revenue sources at the expense of equal application, when that application is relevant.
As to the issue of church clergy being predatory to folks in congregations, as a pastor I can tell you that it has been and continues to be a problem that demands accountability for ministers and laity alike...kinda like athletic depts run amok.
They don't need to prove they knew about Bush
Posted: Fri Feb 26, 2010 3:17 pm
by 77Pony
The NCAA can prove that Mike Garrett knew about Guillory and O.J. Mayo, and that Garrett OK'd the deal. That gets them to lack of institutional control on everything else.
It's like the OJ Simpson trial. If they can prove that one piece of evidence was planted by the cops, it taints everything else.
(Didn't O.J. Simpson go to USC? Coincidence? NOT!)