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I don't grade on the SMU sliding scale-when June Jones can recruit like Franchione and Patterson have done then I'll give him an A+ and I'll tell you several years before the results on the field. I don't think this is very controversial-we've all heard June Jones say that SMU is not getting the recruits he thinks he will after some success-only thing is Franchione and Patterson had immediate recruiting success-that's how TCU built a nationally prominent non-BCS program.
Based on average per recruit TCU has finished in the Top 3 of all current non-BCS schools in the following years which are availiable on Rivals:

2003-3rd
2004-2nd
2005-3rd
2006-1st
2007-1st
2009-1st
2010-1st

and I don't have them in front of me but I'm pretty sure- Franchione's first two classes would have been No. 1 too. I've previously posted articles about Franchione's 2 classes which were highly nationally ranked even recruiting out of the WAC. Results follow recruiting success.

In the same average per recruit rankings June Jones has finished No. 90th(throw that out-2 weeks to recruit), 80th and 76nd. That's how I grade the long term prognosis in the strength of the program. You may disagree-but you can't really dispute that recruiting rankings directly correlate to the emergence of the TCU program. When you can truly bring in the best players-like he repeatedly states he thinks he can then he gets elevated to the next level.

Stallion wrote:I don't grade on the SMU sliding scale-when June Jones can recruit like Franchione and Patterson have done then I'll give him an A+ and I'll tell you several years before the results on the field. I don't think this is very controversial-we've all heard June Jones say that SMU is not getting the recruits he thinks he will after some success-only thing is Franchione and Patterson had immediate recruiting success-that's how TCU built a nationally prominent non-BCS program.
Based on average per recruit TCU has finished in the Top 3 of all current non-BCS schools in the following years which are availiable on Rivals:

2003-3rd
2004-2nd
2005-3rd
2006-1st
2007-1st
2009-1st
2010-1st

and I don't have them in front of me but I'm pretty sure- Franchione's first two classes would have been No. 1 too. I've previously posted articles about Franchione's 2 classes which were highly nationally ranked even recruiting out of the WAC. Results follow recruiting success

In other words, you're on record to grade him at B+ or lower, 2 years after he was hired. Pat Sullivan had TCU in good shape except for that wheels off last year disaster he had. Franchione walked into a much better situation than did Jones.

TCU was 1-10 the year before Franchione. Assuming TCU's program was in a little bit better shape which I tend to believe SMU though has an advantage TCU didn't because June Jones had a bigger national profile than Franchione when he took the TCU job. For SMU to reach TCU's level of success the missing ingredient is recruiting. We've all heard June Jones thinks he can get some of the top players in Texas when he gets the program started-now all he's got to do is do it. As for your restatement of my position I said exactly what I meant in my posts above. Again I don't grade on the SMU sliding scale standard. I have always graded on the nationally prominent Top 25 standard. You want to grade on another scale be my guest.

the smu basketball fans are more delusional then the smu football cheerleaders

RunningStang wrote:You all are forgetting something, football counts for ten times the number of hours of all of the rest of the sports combined.

New GPA: 3.77 Magna Cum Laude.

Amen to that, brother.

I'm not as [deleted] Orsini for the Doh hire as most are. His biggest faults in hindsight were the extensions. But at the time I was for them too -- as were a lot of actual basketball experts on here. But we're certainly tied up for one more year there, which is why Steve had to announce and show support. He had no choice.

I'd give Orsini a B for now.

Stallion wrote:TCU was 1-10 the year before Franchione. Assuming TCU's program was in a little bit better shape which I tend to believe SMU though has an advantage TCU didn't because June Jones had a bigger national profile than Franchione when he took the TCU job. For SMU to reach TCU's level of success the missing ingredient is recruiting. We've all heard June Jones thinks he can get some of the top players in Texas when he gets the program started-now all he's got to do is do it. As for your restatement of my position I said exactly what I meant in my posts above. Again I don't grade on the SMU sliding scale standard. I have always graded on the nationally prominent Top 25 standard. You want to grade on another scale be my guest.

Any logical grading system from the peanut gallery necessarily includes future expectations partly based on more factors than simply looking at recruiting to do (recruiting that's slowly and steadily improving).

Franchione was hired in 1998. TCU went to a bowl game in 1996. You know Sullivan had upgraded talent and that the wheels fell off related to a lot of extracurricular activities (like the media storm related to the lineman who nearly beat a kid to death).

Kids in Texas have grown up in Texas associating SMU with abject failure

Alaric wrote:s (like the media storm related to the lineman who nearly beat a kid to death).

Ryan Tucker...went on to an NFL career. I think he played in a Super Bowl w the Rams before winding up w/ the Browns

ontheedgeofmyseat wrote:Maybe the second most stupid post in PF history, second only to MM1865 "I am going to get in Turners face on the 'vard...".

sma houston grads who love smu - strange birds for sure

RGV Pony wrote:

Alaric wrote:s (like the media storm related to the lineman who nearly beat a kid to death).

Ryan Tucker...went on to an NFL career. I think he played in a Super Bowl w the Rams before winding up w/ the Browns

That's him. The kid's dad was a prominent TCU booster who had played hoops at TCU in the day. Also, there were other big distractions off the field...allegations of recruiting violations I think.

The next season produced another winning record of 6-5 before TCU joined the Western Athletic Conference in 1996 and fell once again on hard times. Losing seasons in 1996 and 1997 resulted in Sullivan's resignation in October 1997 with an overall record of 24-42-1. However, he is best noted for recruiting LaDainian Tomlinson to play at TCU.

Just going to throw out that SMU doesn't give "A+" highest you can get is an A...

ponyup10 wrote:Just going to throw out that SMU doesn't give "A+" highest you can get is an A...

That's true, I gave him an A+ but scored that a 4.0 which is what SMU gives for an A.