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Re: SMU, WHO ARE YOU????
Posted: Mon Dec 19, 2011 10:39 am
by Dutch
ponyboy wrote:In comes June Jones -- and back comes a degree of respectability on the field and, now, in our conference affliation.
and everyone wants to lynch him.
Re: SMU, WHO ARE YOU????
Posted: Mon Dec 19, 2011 10:40 am
by ponyboy
naturally
Re: SMU, WHO ARE YOU????
Posted: Mon Dec 19, 2011 11:04 am
by gostangs
Everyone wants to lynch him (not literally) because we see the even greater potential that remains unrealized, and although it is great to be partially back we need to step up some things to get the whole way there - and June disagrees and is stubborn about some of those items.
To have those aspirations and to have the resources and will to act on them despite our small size is what SMU is all about - and that is not a bad thing.
I agree with the three headed monster (old SWC guys, bottom of the barrel guys, and Jones era "almost there" guys) - as time progresses we will hopefully build on the later with a tip of the hat to the former, and forget the middle.
I would add that our academic standing has risen dramatically in the last 10 years, and that is not irrelevant to the football story. It is hard to improve your team on the field when you competition for players offers basically a glorified baby sitting service for 4 yrs.
Re: SMU, WHO ARE YOU????
Posted: Mon Dec 19, 2011 11:28 am
by ponyboy
gostangs wrote:To have those aspirations and to have the resources and will to act on them despite our small size is what SMU is all about - and that is not a bad thing.
Agreed. Not a bad thing at all. But part of our moving on has to include the great unwashed, non BMW driving public. This is what many fail to see: Billy Tubbs was in one sense an attempt to get beyond that -- at least until his lynching. June Jones, while very different from Tubbs, has been another. And now we're trying to get him too, to run him over with our new, white 2011 Range Rovers.
So is it really all that confusing when we just ooze exclusivity, i.e. "you are not a part of us and never can be," but then are shocked when no one comes to games? Hello?
We need to drop the Pride, capital P, immediately. And never allow it to return. Open up, be Dallas' team -- all of Dallas. Combine that with the aspirations and resources you mention above and we're back.
Re: SMU, WHO ARE YOU????
Posted: Mon Dec 19, 2011 11:38 am
by gostangs
I agree with that - not to be corny - but we need to be more like Peruna - small and fiesty is what people love to support - an underdog that likes to kick some [deleted] from time to time.
Small and exclusive feels like you are hanging with Biffy and Winthrop at the club - after about 10 minutes you kind of hope THEY get their [deleted] kicked.
We need to do what USC did - brand it so that it takes on more of the personality of the city at large and be inviting and friendly. We should be in LA asking about their best practices and how that evolved and get their playbook.
Of course - really successful helps also, so we might want to start with hiring a world class recurting team pronto.
Re: SMU, WHO ARE YOU????
Posted: Mon Dec 19, 2011 11:44 am
by ponyboy
Biffy and Winthrop, lol
Good ideas.
Re: SMU, WHO ARE YOU????
Posted: Mon Dec 19, 2011 11:59 am
by Water Pony
Tri-polar Personality Disorder is what I resume after reading the posts. I love the directness of Maize n Blue's question, which is worthy of discussion and action.
I am a Sixties Mustang, who attended almost every home game (as most students did then) in the Cotton Bowl. Although we might have been over matched personnel wise, we played a great brand of football and were both competitive and relevant on the regional and national stage. Although this was not the "big time" era of the early Eighties, Dallas and eastern teams/media paid attention, when the Mustangs were scheduled. Hayden Fry was key and his recruiting changed SMU and the SWC, i.e.
"The 1966 SMU squad was a special group of young men who knew how to play exciting football. The Mustangs were slow starters, but they knew how to come-from-behind to get the job done. They never quit on a game because there was always Jerry LeVias to make a clutch play or Dennis Partee to make the winning kick. All of the experts predicted SMU to finish in fifth place, but this team wanted to be champions. On November 27, 1966, the Mustangs proved all of their critics wrong by shutting out TCU to win the conference title in one of the 90 Greatest Moments in SMU Football History."
In the sixties, it was a given that we went to the Cotton Bowl. Today, the students have alternatives and distractions. I went to Northwestern game this year (against Rice, BTW) and the student body has there and it was loud and standing for most of the game. Of course, Notre Dame gets their students there and so does Vanderbilt, of all places.
Bringing the lost generation back and, but mostly importantly, the student body to Ford Stadium is Job One. Tradition raises expectiations, but excitement on the field and in the stands needs to be the new traditon. Pony Up!
SMU, WHO ARE YOU????
Posted: Mon Dec 19, 2011 12:37 pm
by GiddyUp
We are trying to figure out our identity. Bowl games and new conference - lots of changes happening.
Re: SMU, WHO ARE YOU????
Posted: Mon Dec 19, 2011 2:26 pm
by alyssa
maize'n'blue wrote:So, I've been watching your scores for 3 years and the SMU comeback was not limited to one good senior class, it does roll on to varying degrees of success. But then I joined Ponyfans.com.... I know much more about SMU football than Doak Walker and the Pony Express and the death penalty now thanks to you guys but. Being a guy from off of the hilltop what's old seems pretty prevalent and what's new seems weird and forced, you have a shetland pony that would just as soon kick me to death as let me feed him a sugar cube, but you also have 2 former gorgeous wild beasts that have been broken, bridled, castrated and now bow to mere mortal men? Which were given to you by THEEEE Oklahoma State boosters? I thought when you said June Jones and the Geldings, that you were talking about the second string or the practice squad. I never knew about Liberty and Justice...
The fight song well, I'm not gonna bag on you but WHY do so many of you hate your Marching Band? The Pony Battle Cry is pretty cool I'm sure they can do other stuff. Peruna? well I know that one by another name from when I was say well a colt....
Then most of you hate the coach and I don't blame you but as soon as the word that he may leave comes up, here comes the warpath, I gotta admit I followed right along and I do think his behavior was poor, especially since I heard he considered leaving SMU for freaking Maryland last year, Maryland, REALLY.
SMU who are you? Are you the new, the old or somewhere in between? because you are pretty freaking hard to follow for a new fan like me. To me the Old is better but That would mean Blue Jerseys and I guess that ain't where it's at on the hilltop nowadays?
Try #2. (Try #1 12 hours ago didn't take).
I was raised a SWC Mustang. I would have began freshman year in '87 but 2-25-87 changed my mind. I went to Princeton for 4 years. There I met and married, a little bit older than I, man who played at Michigan State. I went to SMU for a couple years after graduating Princeton.
I love our band and songs. Need bigger band and even more songs. I sit near the band most times with my mom and sister and sometimes other women to sing and dance and cheer.
I love horses so I love the mustangs. I don't love cutting off their nuts or having riders. (I'm against cutting things off whether it's docking, cropping or human circumcisions).
We grew up around animals like horses. We had one shetland stallion and he was the meanest SOB of a horse I've ever known. Could not get near him. Had to keep him away from everything else.
I don't hate June Jones but I'm ready to start with someone better and would like Kliff Kingsbury to be on that staff. (As American Indian, the word "warpath" makes me cringe. I never use it).
Blue Jerseys are better. I'd have so many great uniforms for the teams. My men's teams would not wear white pants and shoes at home games.
I got relatives who get called to duty like you.
Re: Re: SMU, WHO ARE YOU????
Posted: Mon Dec 19, 2011 3:13 pm
by RGV Pony
alyssa wrote:maize'n'blue wrote:So, I've been watching your scores for 3 years and the SMU comeback was not limited to one good senior class, it does roll on to varying degrees of success. But then I joined Ponyfans.com.... I know much more about SMU football than Doak Walker and the Pony Express and the death penalty now thanks to you guys but. Being a guy from off of the hilltop what's old seems pretty prevalent and what's new seems weird and forced, you have a shetland pony that would just as soon kick me to death as let me feed him a sugar cube, but you also have 2 former gorgeous wild beasts that have been broken, bridled, castrated and now bow to mere mortal men? Which were given to you by THEEEE Oklahoma State boosters? I thought when you said June Jones and the Geldings, that you were talking about the second string or the practice squad. I never knew about Liberty and Justice...
The fight song well, I'm not gonna bag on you but WHY do so many of you hate your Marching Band? The Pony Battle Cry is pretty cool I'm sure they can do other stuff. Peruna? well I know that one by another name from when I was say well a colt....
Then most of you hate the coach and I don't blame you but as soon as the word that he may leave comes up, here comes the warpath, I gotta admit I followed right along and I do think his behavior was poor, especially since I heard he considered leaving SMU for freaking Maryland last year, Maryland, REALLY.
SMU who are you? Are you the new, the old or somewhere in between? because you are pretty freaking hard to follow for a new fan like me. To me the Old is better but That would mean Blue Jerseys and I guess that ain't where it's at on the hilltop nowadays?
Try #2. (Try #1 12 hours ago didn't take).
I was raised a SWC Mustang. I would have began freshman year in '87 but 2-25-87 changed my mind. I went to Princeton for 4 years. There I met and married, a little bit older than I, man who played at Michigan State. I went to SMU for a couple years after graduating Princeton.
I love our band and songs. Need bigger band and even more songs. I sit near the band most times with my mom and sister and sometimes other women to sing and dance and cheer.
I love horses so I love the mustangs. I don't love cutting off their nuts or having riders. (I'm against cutting things off whether it's docking, cropping or human circumcisions).
We grew up around animals like horses. We had one shetland stallion and he was the meanest SOB of a horse I've ever known. Could not get near him. Had to keep him away from everything else.
I don't hate June Jones but I'm ready to start with someone better and would like Kliff Kingsbury to be on that staff. (As American Indian, the word "warpath" makes me cringe. I never use it).
Blue Jerseys are better. I'd have so many great uniforms for the teams. My men's teams would not wear white pants and shoes at home games.
I got relatives who get called to duty like you.
Probably my favorite alyssa post ever
Re: SMU, WHO ARE YOU????
Posted: Mon Dec 19, 2011 3:16 pm
by NomAnor
I am an 80s thru today mustang fan i have fond memories of my Dad jumped off the couch watching the pony express he got so excited he scared the whole house it was then and there I decided it was cool as [deleted] to be a pony fan!
Re: SMU, WHO ARE YOU????
Posted: Mon Dec 19, 2011 3:18 pm
by smupony94
NomAnor wrote:I am an 80s thru today mustang fan i have fond memories of my Dad jumped off the coach watching the pony express he got so excited he scared the whole house it was then and there I decided it was cool as [deleted] to be a pony fan!
Why did he jump off the coach? NTTIAWWT
Re: SMU, WHO ARE YOU????
Posted: Mon Dec 19, 2011 5:22 pm
by NomAnor
smupony94 wrote:NomAnor wrote:I am an 80s thru today mustang fan i have fond memories of my Dad jumped off the coach watching the pony express he got so excited he scared the whole house it was then and there I decided it was cool as [deleted] to be a pony fan!
Why did he jump off the coach? NTTIAWWT
if I remember correctly it was VS the horns the old man really hates hippies and the horns for being in austin no offense 94
Re: SMU, WHO ARE YOU????
Posted: Mon Dec 19, 2011 5:25 pm
by redpony
Nom- not very politically correct for a nominee of ROY.
GO PONIES!!!
Re: SMU, WHO ARE YOU????
Posted: Mon Dec 19, 2011 5:32 pm
by Dutch
NomAnor wrote:smupony94 wrote:NomAnor wrote:I am an 80s thru today mustang fan i have fond memories of my Dad jumped off the coach watching the pony express he got so excited he scared the whole house it was then and there I decided it was cool as [deleted] to be a pony fan!
Why did he jump off the coach? NTTIAWWT
if I remember correctly it was VS the horns the old man really hates hippies and the horns for being in austin no offense 94
still doesn't explain what he was doing on the coach.