Eagle Stadium vs Eagle Stadium

[gostangs]

well i don't know any republicans who would think spending that much money on a high school stadium is a good idea. I don't think that is an idea you can stick on either party - its just a stupid idea. If they got voted out for that then that is a good thing and democracy at work.

[PoconoPony]

My local school district could not afford $3,500 for the replacement of broken down football bleachers. Boosters to the rescue. Mind boggling that a $60 million dollar facility is not the home for multiple high school teams.

[whitwiki]

On behalf of someone who played in the old crappy stadium many years ago and will be enjoying my new seats, you are just jealous We have been selling out the many versions of the stadium for 30 years(it originally seated 3500) and it was way beyond its useful life. If you don't like the taxes in Allen(they have always been some of the highest in the Metroplex for a long time) you are always welcome to move to Garland. As for the tax increase, that had nothing to do with the stadium. That was to pay for the funding cut by the state and to overpay for the administration and the teachers.

Trust me... teachers are not overpaid anywhere in this state. The amount of [deleted] tthey put up with from administrators and kids and parents, coupled with their lack of power to control it, is ridiculous.

I grew up in Katy ISD. We built the merril center for bball and vball and graduation. They were going to make money off it via an arena football team. That team folder after about 1 season. Now its a very nice graduation hall...waste of money honestly.

Also, I'm not jealous. I do not care about HS football.

[Digetydog]

Nevermind that Texas has a few billion funding deficit for education, or that the state republicans want to eliminate critical and higher order thinking...we can build giant [deleted] football stadiums for highschoolers!!!!! And charge those same people who dont want to pay for real education! Yeah that makes sense!

Why can't they just shift a few games to a college or nfl stadium?

My nephew's 8th grade team in Plano had 3 coaches. The varsity has something like 8 coaches.

In ct, my town's team (no Jv, no 7th , 8th, 9th, or 10 grade teams) had 3 coaches. All the coaches are teachers who are paid a "stipend" for coaching. The women's golf coach gets the same stipend.

[couch 'em]

Sounds like paradise. Please move there

[Digetydog]

On behalf of someone who played in the old crappy stadium many years ago and will be enjoying my new seats, you are just jealous We have been selling out the many versions of the stadium for 30 years(it originally seated 3500) and it was way beyond its useful life. If you don't like the taxes in Allen(they have always been some of the highest in the Metroplex for a long time) you are always welcome to move to Garland. As for the tax increase, that had nothing to do with the stadium. That was to pay for the funding cut by the state and to overpay for the administration and the teachers.

My favorite HS football stadium to play in was old, crappy (but cool) Bearcat Stadium in Sherman. Beat John Clark Stadium by a mile.

[couch 'em]

Tired of the teachers are martyrs rant. A typical young teacher makes the equivalent of a $65000+ job when 3 months of vacation is considered. Not bad for a job tgat a degree from anywhere is acceptable. Dealing with kids/parents/government BS is not a valid complaint-you know what you are getting in to. A teacher with ambition can go the principal route and make $100k.

Doesn't sound like a horrible gig if you can tolerate kids.

[RGV Pony]

Creo ke couchem is right

[Mexmustang]

"They expect to turn a profit long-term on maintenance vs the old facility and renting out the stadium"--sounds like some Management Buyout presentations I've seen (and never come close to meeting projections). Let's see $60,000MM say KOF of 11%, tax-free for the municipality, $6.6 MM in net maintence savings (Old Stadium projected less actual for New) and rental fees, I would love to talk to that analyst....

[CA Mustang]

I grew up in Katy ISD. We built the merril center for bball and vball and graduation. They were going to make money off it via an arena football team. That team folder after about 1 season. Now its a very nice graduation hall...waste of money honestly.

Hosting the Southland Conference basketball tournaments each year helps!

Dealing with kids/parents/government BS is not a valid complaint-you know what you are getting in to. ... Doesn't sound like a horrible gig if you can tolerate kids.

That sounds like a big if.

[whitwiki]

Tired of the teachers are martyrs rant. A typical young teacher makes the equivalent of a $65000+ job when 3 months of vacation is considered. Not bad for a job tgat a degree from anywhere is acceptable. Dealing with kids/parents/government BS is not a valid complaint-you know what you are getting in to. A teacher with ambition can go the principal route and make $100k.

Doesn't sound like a horrible gig if you can tolerate kids.

So don't complain how all the teachers suck because they got less stressful 65k jobs that pay 65k instead of teaching and putting up with kids who's parents have no interest in their lives.

[whitwiki]

Tired of the teachers are martyrs rant. A typical young teacher makes the equivalent of a $65000+ job when 3 months of vacation is considered. Not bad for a job tgat a degree from anywhere is acceptable. Dealing with kids/parents/government BS is not a valid complaint-you know what you are getting in to. A teacher with ambition can go the principal route and make $100k.

Doesn't sound like a horrible gig if you can tolerate kids.

So don't complain how all the teachers suck because they got less stressful 65k jobs that pay 65k instead of teaching and putting up with kids who's parents have no interest in their lives.

Not to mention that a large part of a teachers pay check goes towards supplies. And dont tell me the state provides - the minimal amount they provide is pathetic and not nearly enough for a good education. My wife's school makes them pay for printing and copies even.

Does your 65k job pay for office supplies?


The bottom line is our education system has backwards priorities and people try to blame the educators... some deserve it, true, but that isn't the major issue.


Now if a private school builds a huge stadium, that's an entirely different topic. Or, even if this stadium funds itself. The problem is that this state seems to focus all its money on these big showy projects and ignore the issue that most ISDs are way behind national averages. But god forbid we teach the kids to think because then they will challenge their parents' belief systems.

Ok now I'm ranting and rambiling so I'm leaving.

[mrydel]

I worry about the future of educating our kids because apparently teachers are too ignorant to know that the job does not pay well enough. If teacher pay is too low then people should quit taking jobs as teachers. They should not take the job thinking they will change the structure that has been in place since the first delinquent had to stay after class and chisel the hieroglyphics off the cave wall.

[CA Mustang]

I worry about the future of educating our kids because apparently teachers are too ignorant to know that the job does not pay well enough. If teacher pay is too low then people should quit taking jobs as teachers.

If everyone follows that logic, then who will be left to teach? Only those that don't need the money? Or just those desperate for any salary?

[couch 'em]

Tired of the teachers are martyrs rant. A typical young teacher makes the equivalent of a $65000+ job when 3 months of vacation is considered. Not bad for a job tgat a degree from anywhere is acceptable. Dealing with kids/parents/government BS is not a valid complaint-you know what you are getting in to. A teacher with ambition can go the principal route and make $100k.

Doesn't sound like a horrible gig if you can tolerate kids.

So don't complain how all the teachers suck because they got less stressful 65k jobs that pay 65k instead of teaching and putting up with kids who's parents have no interest in their lives.

Not to mention that a large part of a teachers pay check goes towards supplies. And dont tell me the state provides - the minimal amount they provide is pathetic and not nearly enough for a good education. My wife's school makes them pay for printing and copies even.

Does your 65k job pay for office supplies?

The bottom line is our education system has backwards priorities and people try to blame the educators... some deserve it, true, but that isn't the major issue.

Now if a private school builds a huge stadium, that's an entirely different topic. Or, even if this stadium funds itself. The problem is that this state seems to focus all its money on these big showy projects and ignore the issue that most ISDs are way behind national averages. But god forbid we teach the kids to think because then they will challenge their parents' belief systems.

Ok now I'm ranting and rambiling so I'm leaving.

You are mixing many different arguments together into a generic teacher rant. Nothing in this thread has been about blaming teacheour\rs for kids failing. As someone coming from a family of multiple teachers from elementary special education on up, I blame the culture/parents of the kids. Cultures, even within the poor in the US, that respect education have relatively high achievement, while those in similar income groups that don't value education don't succeed. Unless teachers get far more power to beat kids and take them away from their parents, something society will never allow, it'll never change.ey

That, however, is a TOTALLY different issue from teacher pay.

Are there problems with the treatment of teachers? Sure. Just like in every industry. But let's look at silly teacher's rants:

A large portion goes to supplies? No. Most teachers make in the range of $50k. What's a large portion? $5000/year? So an average teacher is spending over $500/month for the 9 months school is in session? Really?

Bottom line, for the qualifications required, the pay is not bad, and it is a great situation for a parent of small children. I don't think paying a lot more for people with PhD's in math to teach elementary fractions will change much because I don't think the teachers are the source of the problem. It's a bigger systemic problem. Throwing money at the problem in the form of salaries or new computers in the classroom will not solve it as history as repeatedly shown.

Teachers in the good ol' days when the USA had a much higher rated education system were LESS qualified, LESS (or equally) compensated, and far LESS equipped.