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Re: SMU President Got Fired in 1974
Posted: Wed Sep 19, 2012 10:08 pm
by couch 'em
This is worthless argument that comes back every year. Most argue that it is unfair to get the DP when everyone cheating. Stallion argues that the wreckless behavior that made us a target means we deserved it. Everyone argues until it gets personal and thread deleted.
Everyone just agree we should have been more careful.
Re: SMU President Got Fired in 1974
Posted: Wed Sep 19, 2012 10:30 pm
by dbone
couch 'em wrote:This is worthless argument that comes back every year. Most argue that it is unfair to get the DP when everyone cheating. Stallion argues that the wreckless behavior that made us a target means we deserved it. Everyone argues until it gets personal and thread deleted.
Everyone just agree we should have been more careful.
We should have been more careful...
Today the goal should be to kill the DP. It is not dead. 25 years later and we are still talking about it.
Most say just ignore it, win, and it will go away. I disagree. I think we have to embrace it...and then smother it. So that is what I am going to do.
Re: SMU President Got Fired in 1974
Posted: Wed Sep 19, 2012 10:40 pm
by Mexmustang
And Gerald Turner was told by the Ole Miss Board that he wouldn't return the next year. It was up to him how he wanted to play, resigned, fired or left for a new job! So what? Ask your Ole Miss alumi, it is no secret.
Re: SMU President Got Fired in 1974
Posted: Thu Sep 20, 2012 8:37 am
by rich59
The pattern of infractions at SMU go back much farther than the 1970s. The recruiting of Glynn Gregory by the Bill Meek staff is an example and there were other examples during the Fry era. I played at Texas Tech and Texas A&I in the early fifties and I know there were infractions there and I believe an infraction free program was non existant in those days. The problem was that SMU was and is in a big media market with little on no media loyalty toward SMU. SMU's transgressions get magnified while, in a place like College Station or Norman or Lubbock they get swept under the rug.
Re: SMU President Got Fired in 1974
Posted: Thu Sep 20, 2012 8:45 am
by smusportspage
Stallion wrote:We were cheating just about every year from 1974 through 1986 except perhaps 1975. 1974 was payola stuff. players were paid for fumbles, interceptions big plays. When a school intentionally creates a slush fund funded by some of the top alumni of the university to pay players after even a single probation how can you claim that is not flipping the Bird at the NCAA. The truth? It wasn't just "recruiting stuff" It was a well organized slush fund that delivered hundreds of thousands of cash and illegal inducements and benfits. The truth can be clearly seen by the players admitting we had a W.O. Banston Dealership at Ownby. Pay attention to the Classes those kids were recruited in. The Bishops and the NCAA didn't catch half of the cheating going on over a decade because the key people including TRUSTEES and the CHEATING ALUMNI involved refused to cooperate with the Bishops Report or the NCAA. The NCAA barely scratched the surface of what happened over the prior decade after Meyer was hired
Stallion you are just wrong on some of this. Way off.Not sure where you are getting your figures. "Hundreds of thousands" ? Not even close my friend. I was there too. Yes there was money being exchanged but no where in the of ballpark hundreds of thousands. My goodness man. For instance. One of the "major violations" in the 1984 report leading up to the DP was Albert Reese'S rent payment. A
one time payment of $500. Chump change compared to what is currently going on at top BCS schools.
Re: SMU President Got Fired in 1974
Posted: Thu Sep 20, 2012 8:53 am
by EastStang
Was ED's TransAm after the Aggies gave him the Maroon one?
We cheated, we got caught 5 times. The fact was (and if you read "A Payroll to Meet", or watch Thad's 30/30) you'll know that the one right before we got DP'd, the NCAA said, look this is your last chance. You have to stop paying players. We didn't do it and were pretty blatant that we didn't stop doing it. It was the ultimate of hubris and utterly stupid. Imagine if you're a drug dealer who has been popped twice and you live in a three strikes and you're out state, would you continue your business knowing that if you got arrested one more time, you're looking at life in prison. Would you stop dealing drugs or continue to roll the dice hoping that you don't get pinched.
Re: SMU President Got Fired in 1974
Posted: Thu Sep 20, 2012 10:43 am
by whitwiki
I just want to point out that, based on the CPI, $52,000 in 1985 has the purchasing power of approximately $112,000 in 2012, or about half what Cam Newton was offered by Miss St.
Not "several hundred thousand dollars."
Re: SMU President Got Fired in 1974
Posted: Thu Sep 20, 2012 11:18 am
by Insane_Pony_Posse
You guys better be careful because it's Stallion's life mission to preach how SMU is the worst at everything and basically BoooooSmu -YeaaaaEverybody Else.
His prized pig is that SMU is the worst cheater in history and no one else even comes close. Any and all cheating scandals or even sex scandals where school administrators and coaches were involved in a cover-up of young boys being raped all "pale in comparison" to the "horrible atrocities" SMU committed. 
Stallion becomes a defense attorney when it comes to other schools violations, but is a passionate prosecutor on any violations in SMU's past. Any attempt to compare SMU with other schools is almost always met with a near angry response of how other schools fans, recruits, coaches, students, gameday, ect, ect....are all sooooo much better than SMU's.
Re: SMU President Got Fired in 1974
Posted: Thu Sep 20, 2012 11:42 am
by BIGHORSE
stallion knows everything about all things, always right and never wrong
just ask gary fatterson.
Re: SMU President Got Fired in 1974
Posted: Thu Sep 20, 2012 11:58 am
by Stallion
Yeah I'm right on this one and you guys are as pathetic as the same homer Penn St fans the SMU fans complain about. Its sad when you have your head so far up your [deleted] that you can't see the truth. The NCAA ruled in favor the Death Penalty, the Bishops Report confirmed enough to agree with it although they barely scrtatched the surface, the Board of Trustees never contested the NCAA penalty and in the world of public perception in 1987-not 2011 SMU got exactly what it deserved. From a legal perspective this was a SLAM-DUNK OPEN andc SHUT Case.
Re: SMU President Got Fired in 1974
Posted: Thu Sep 20, 2012 12:04 pm
by Dark Horse
Again? Really? If we can't move on from the DP, nobody else will, either.
Re: SMU President Got Fired in 1974
Posted: Thu Sep 20, 2012 1:08 pm
by smusportspage
Stallion wrote:Yeah I'm right on this one and you guys are as pathetic as the same homer Penn St fans the SMU fans complain about. Its sad when you have your head so far up your [deleted] that you can't see the truth. The NCAA ruled in favor the Death Penalty, the Bishops Report confirmed enough to agree with it although they barely scrtatched the surface, the Board of Trustees never contested the NCAA penalty and in the world of public perception in 1987-not 2011 SMU got exactly what it deserved. From a legal perspective this was a SLAM-DUNK OPEN andc SHUT Case.
This is classic Stallion....often wrong but never in doubt!
Seriously Stallion, got to love your conviction.
Re: SMU President Got Fired in 1974
Posted: Thu Sep 20, 2012 1:59 pm
by Stallion
It boils down to the reputation and Integrity of the University-some of you guys would have SMU' reputation and integrity destroyed just so you can see SMU win a few more games. Its pathetic
Re: SMU President Got Fired in 1974
Posted: Thu Sep 20, 2012 2:32 pm
by Arkpony
Good Lord! Can't you guys discuss with cursing or being so bitter? (and I am a Marine so don't go off on a "sensitive Ears" rant)
Re: SMU President Got Fired in 1974
Posted: Thu Sep 20, 2012 3:15 pm
by Bergermeister
dbone wrote: I would be honored if you would read my book... If you PM me I will happily send you a copy and see if I can sway you.
Sway me? For what purpose?