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Re: TU boosters think little of our QB
Posted: Thu Sep 27, 2012 1:24 pm
by westexSMU
Great practice player both here and UT, but he needs to be able to perform his good practice habits in the Game. I would say he knows enough about this offense now to perform better in the future, but I'm not making predictions on this. Just hope for the best. One thing for sure, we will need a lot of TDs to Win this week. We can't have the D stop them 5 or 6 times in a row and get no TDs.
Re: TU boosters think little of our QB
Posted: Thu Sep 27, 2012 1:56 pm
by peruna81
no credible evidence we will play any better offense on Saturday than we have in the previous games....BUT...
I sure hope this is the week the offense completes a drive...or two...or twelve.
Re: TU boosters think little of our QB
Posted: Thu Sep 27, 2012 5:03 pm
by ghost
To be a program with UT's stature, resources and the top high school players in the nation and high school qb's going elsewhere one has to wonder what the problem is at Ut....and this goes way back before Mac's days. Sure, you had a freakish athlete who has serious intelligence issuesn and then Colt was a great player with so much talent around but only a second round pick. And Same way with their receivers. How does a team like SMU have Beasley, Sanders and Robinson in the pros and UT with their choice of the most physically gifted receivers out of high school only have a struggling Shipley trying to get a foothold in the pros? One day the recruits are gonna wake up and realize UT is becomming the Bermuda Triangle of college teams regarding QB's and Receivers just as ags had that tile in the 70's. they are going to have to make decisions...the thrill of the college game at it's best or preparing for the riches of the NFL and going to Baylor, TCU or SMU?
Re: TU boosters think little of our QB
Posted: Thu Sep 27, 2012 5:08 pm
by skurtn
To follow along here.. I'm hoping this is in JJ's arsenal of recruiting.
We've had a lot of people go into the NFL while JJ has been coach.
Problem is, were those JJ recruits, or not?
Re: TU boosters think little of our QB
Posted: Thu Sep 27, 2012 9:39 pm
by JasonB
Junior wrote:well, he sure hasn't been the savior some of you thought he would be...
Um, 20 years of death and then three straight bowls. That really isn't bad.
I know people are pissed because of the ASU thing, and that is certainly understandable, but to pretend he hasn't done anything for the program is absurd. Three bowls. Massive changes in the recruiting rules. Other coaches have tried for 2 decades to change the rules here and level the playing field. June got it done.
I think saying the offense is outdated is stretching it a bit. Hawaii's offense did just fine with June at the helm. And if we had PJ as a head coach as a lot of us wanted, we would be making the same complaints during a down year - we run the same plays all the time, same formations, triple option hasn't changed in forever. Blah, blah, blah.
Here is what I think: we are struggling in so many aspects of the offense right now (QB, OL, and WR) that it is pretty much impossible to evaluate any of the three cleanly
. WR aren't getting very open, but then again we are having to get rid of the ball quickly because of the OL, so we don't know if they would open up if we threw on a normal count. QB doesn't have a ton of open receivers so he has to be perfect, which he certainly hasn't been. It is a vicious circle.
It will be interesting to see if there are any changes on the offense after the bye. I realize that TCU has a really good defense, but if we don't see improvement this week, it probably isn't coming this season.
Re: TU boosters think little of our QB
Posted: Thu Sep 27, 2012 9:39 pm
by mr. pony
ponyscott wrote:C'mon.......I tried to be loyal and gave JJ a big break before the season but its VERY apparent. Give me and give GG a break..its NOT GG guys...its the archaic dated offense. I talked to the son of a major D-1 coach from the 80's today ( who was also a major WR player in college) and he and his dad both watched the A & M game at Ford and couldn't believe that June was still running the same exact plays as 20 years ago and could name all the offensive sets for the WR's that he was running. They were NOT impressed.
This R and S of Junes has been defensed over and over since then...GG has no chance. The college football world has changed, and June hasn't......its VERY apparent.
Yep.
Re: TU boosters think little of our QB
Posted: Fri Sep 28, 2012 9:15 am
by Junior
JasonB wrote:Junior wrote:well, he sure hasn't been the savior some of you thought he would be...
Um, 20 years of death and then three straight bowls. That really isn't bad.
I know people are [deleted] because of the ASU thing, and that is certainly understandable, but to pretend he hasn't done anything for the program is absurd. Three bowls. Massive changes in the recruiting rules. Other coaches have tried for 2 decades to change the rules here and level the playing field. June got it done.
I think saying the offense is outdated is stretching it a bit. Hawaii's offense did just fine with June at the helm. And if we had PJ as a head coach as a lot of us wanted, we would be making the same complaints during a down year - we run the same plays all the time, same formations, triple option hasn't changed in forever. Blah, blah, blah.
Here is what I think: we are struggling in so many aspects of the offense right now (QB, OL, and WR) that it is pretty much impossible to evaluate any of the three cleanly
. WR aren't getting very open, but then again we are having to get rid of the ball quickly because of the OL, so we don't know if they would open up if we threw on a normal count. QB doesn't have a ton of open receivers so he has to be perfect, which he certainly hasn't been. It is a vicious circle.
It will be interesting to see if there are any changes on the offense after the bye. I realize that TCU has a really good defense, but if we don't see improvement this week, it probably isn't coming this season.
um, i was talking about Gilbert. feel free to shoot holes in this theory.
Re: TU boosters think little of our QB
Posted: Fri Sep 28, 2012 9:35 am
by sbsmith
skurtn wrote:To follow along here.. I'm hoping this is in JJ's arsenal of recruiting.
We've had a lot of people go into the NFL while JJ has been coach.
Problem is, were those JJ recruits, or not?
Bennett recruits: Beachum, LeRibeus, Sanders, Robinson, Beasley, Morestead, McCann
Jones recruits: Thompson, Moore, Crawford
Re: TU boosters think little of our QB
Posted: Fri Sep 28, 2012 10:11 am
by SMU 86
OL has not played too bad actually imo. The offense wasn't exactly ripping it up when we did have a very good OL in past years. But when we get to teams that have lesser talent than SMU in CUSA we should win those games.
Re: TU boosters think little of our QB
Posted: Fri Sep 28, 2012 11:01 am
by Rebel10
JasonB wrote:Junior wrote:well, he sure hasn't been the savior some of you thought he would be...
Um, 20 years of death and then three straight bowls. That really isn't bad.
I know people are [deleted] because of the ASU thing, and that is certainly understandable, but to pretend he hasn't done anything for the program is absurd. Three bowls. Massive changes in the recruiting rules. Other coaches have tried for 2 decades to change the rules here and level the playing field. June got it done.
I think saying the offense is outdated is stretching it a bit. Hawaii's offense did just fine with June at the helm. And if we had PJ as a head coach as a lot of us wanted, we would be making the same complaints during a down year - we run the same plays all the time, same formations, triple option hasn't changed in forever. Blah, blah, blah.
Here is what I think: we are struggling in so many aspects of the offense right now (QB, OL, and WR) that it is pretty much impossible to evaluate any of the three cleanly
. WR aren't getting very open, but then again we are having to get rid of the ball quickly because of the OL, so we don't know if they would open up if we threw on a normal count. QB doesn't have a ton of open receivers so he has to be perfect, which he certainly hasn't been. It is a vicious circle.
It will be interesting to see if there are any changes on the offense after the bye. I realize that TCU has a really good defense, but if we don't see improvement this week, it probably isn't coming this season.
June did help in getting some recruiting flexibility but I really don't think he has taken full advantage of the changes. No one has said that he has not done anything for the program but that he is not shown that he can get beyond mediocrity. But I guess if you have been bad for a long time mediocrity is good. June has also acknowledged that CUSA is a tougher conference than the WAC. That might be why Hawaii do so well. If SMU was staying in CUSA June would be fine. But since SMU is not it should cause concern with anyone without blinders on.
Re: TU boosters think little of our QB
Posted: Fri Sep 28, 2012 11:53 am
by Stallion
June didn't change the recruiting model. The recruiting model was changed as an inducement for hiring a new coach
Re: TU boosters think little of our QB
Posted: Fri Sep 28, 2012 1:42 pm
by JasonB
SMU 86 wrote:OL has not played too bad actually imo. The offense wasn't exactly ripping it up when we did have a very good OL in past years. But when we get to teams that have lesser talent than SMU in CUSA we should win those games.
I think the playcalling says a lot. The fact that the last few years, Line has racked up a ton of TDs as we ran in the redzone, and we ran on short yardage situations elsewhere on the field, but this year we are resorting to throwing in both situations tells you how much faith the staff has in them winning the battle at the line of scrimmage.
It isn't like JJ is forgetting to run those plays. He just doesn't have confidence in the line to win the battles.
Re: TU boosters think little of our QB
Posted: Fri Sep 28, 2012 3:56 pm
by SMU 86
The OL will be just fine in CUSA. ATM beat us up last year on the OL as well. We will be fine. Don't judge the OL, QB, WR or any other position on the team against BCS teams. JJ said it himself on TXA 21 that SMU has been playing BCS teams and that SMU is not a BCS team. Enough said IMO. Looking forward to CUSA play we because should do well there.
Re: TU boosters think little of our QB
Posted: Fri Sep 28, 2012 4:01 pm
by skurtn
Well, on the bright side, playing these tough as nails teams (for us) at the beginning of the year may be a good thing.
What better way to prepare for your conference than playing teams that are tougher than what you'll encounter later?
Re: TU boosters think little of our QB
Posted: Fri Sep 28, 2012 4:22 pm
by SMU 86
JasonB wrote:SMU 86 wrote:OL has not played too bad actually imo. The offense wasn't exactly ripping it up when we did have a very good OL in past years. But when we get to teams that have lesser talent than SMU in CUSA we should win those games.
I think the playcalling says a lot. The fact that the last few years, Line has racked up a ton of TDs as we ran in the redzone, and we ran on short yardage situations elsewhere on the field, but this year we are resorting to throwing in both situations tells you how much faith the staff has in them winning the battle at the line of scrimmage.
It isn't like JJ is forgetting to run those plays. He just doesn't have confidence in the line to win the battles.
June has never ran a lot in short yardage situations as long as he has been here. I remember it was driving eveyone who sat around me crazy a coule of years ago when he would throw the ball on 3rd and 1 situations.