The WHY of June Jones Recruiting

[PoconoPony]

We have only three coaches being named from our verbals thus far who appear to be actually recruiting. A Jason Phillips first time ever mention this week end. We have a very large number of obviously talented kids in the Dallas area who have never heard from SMU and no SMU coach has ever contacted their high school. Lastly, toooooooo many phantom offers through a high school coach and absolutely NO follow up or contact with the the kid. Offered kids show up for unofficial visits and the coaching staff has no time to talk to them. SMU is quickly getting a very bad recruiting reputation with this staff. The entire recruiting situation has the appearance of being very inconsistent, not coordinated, most coaches not recruiting, arrogant by not following up on offers or meeting kids on unofficial visits, lazy, not agressive and constantly changing as to position priorities.

[SMU2007]

I don't care if we go 8-4 or not, this coaching staff has got to change. They've made it very clear they have no interest in recruiting. It's going to bite us in the [deleted]

[Mustangs35SMU]

8. The kind of players we need to recruit simply do not want to come to SMU.

So then why were they beginning to look at SMU when Klemm was here?

#7 laziness? - not having the ability to recruit at Hawaii and still being successful, he is used to not having to go after players and having them come to him. Maybe he is very comfortable in his office watching film and not having to get out in the field.

As to why he hasnt hired a young coach to do the hard recruiting work, ego. Maybe he doesn't want to be upstaged by a young hungry coach.

Is the best and obvious answer.

[CalallenStang]

The reasoning behind the pay-for-play times was that those same kids had other, more attractive choices.

Oh, come on. Those other "choices" were paying for players as well. Need I remind you about the Trans A&M?

For the rest of your post, I agree with Mustangs35's comment above me.

[CalallenStang]

8. The kind of players we need to recruit simply do not want to come to SMU.

So then why were they beginning to look at SMU when Klemm was here?

#7 laziness? - not having the ability to recruit at Hawaii and still being successful, he is used to not having to go after players and having them come to him. Maybe he is very comfortable in his office watching film and not having to get out in the field.

As to why he hasnt hired a young coach to do the hard recruiting work, ego. Maybe he doesn't want to be upstaged by a young hungry coach.

Is the best and obvious answer.

He did dismiss Klemm and Reinebold's recruiting pretty forcefully in the overhead projector luncheon

[peruna81]

The reasoning behind the pay-for-play times was that those same kids had other, more attractive choices.

Oh, come on. Those other "choices" were paying for players as well. Need I remind you about the Trans A&M?

For the rest of your post, I agree with Mustangs35's comment above me.

CalallenStang-I was not intimating about what others were doing...just what became SOP at SMU in order to get a foot in the recruit's door. Those days here appear to be in the past. I will grant you that is obviously not the case for other schools that we would recruit against today...that is if we chose to recruit the same athletes.

As for Klemm, I did not know the man, but was impressed (by what I heard) that at the least he followed top recruits, and got a foot in the door through the good 'ol fashion method of work ethic. I find it interesting that it seems that SMU has chosen since to not even TRY to recruit the top folks in our own city, much less the state or nation.

[couch 'em]

It isn't that we aren't competing for top players - we aren't competing for even mid tier players. Check the offer lists.

[CalallenStang]

The reasoning behind the pay-for-play times was that those same kids had other, more attractive choices.

Oh, come on. Those other "choices" were paying for players as well. Need I remind you about the Trans A&M?

For the rest of your post, I agree with Mustangs35's comment above me.

CalallenStang-I was not intimating about what others were doing...just what became SOP at SMU in order to get a foot in the recruit's door. Those days here appear to be in the past. I will grant you that is obviously not the case for other schools that we would recruit against today...that is if we chose to recruit the same athletes.

As for Klemm, I did not know the man, but was impressed (by what I heard) that at the least he followed top recruits, and got a foot in the door through the good 'ol fashion method of work ethic. I find it interesting that it seems that SMU has chosen since to not even TRY to recruit the top folks in our own city, much less the state or nation.

I agree with you in this post. And I wish we would try a bit harder to get those recruits.

[PlanoStang]

#3 for sure. I believe JJ knows what he wants and knows which recruit can give it to him. That's called hubris, not ever thinking that you could be wrong. That being said, weren't his classes higher rated than previous coaches at SMU since the... you know when. Problem with his thinking is that Patterson has out recruited him with the same types (specializing in defensive players) and with a similar school and fandom.

I think the main reason he has out recruited previous coaches was the changes in standards and the star inflation. So far other than the new TE we picked up, everybody we have recruited has been offered by sub par non BCS schools and FCS schools

#3 for sure. I believe JJ knows what he wants and knows which recruit can give it to him. That's called hubris, not ever thinking that you could be wrong. That being said, weren't his classes higher rated than previous coaches at SMU since the... you know when. Problem with his thinking is that Patterson has out recruited him with the same types (specializing in defensive players) and with a similar school and fandom.

I think the main reason he has out recruited previous coaches was the changes in standards and the star inflation. So far other than the new TE we picked up, everybody we have recruited has been offered by sub par non BCS schools and FCS schools

8. The kind of players we need to recruit simply do not want to come to SMU.

So then why were they beginning to look at SMU when Klemm was here?

#7 laziness? - not having the ability to recruit at Hawaii and still being successful, he is used to not having to go after players and having them come to him. Maybe he is very comfortable in his office watching film and not having to get out in the field.

As to why he hasnt hired a young coach to do the hard recruiting work, ego. Maybe he doesn't want to be upstaged by a young hungry coach.

Is the best and obvious answer.

He did dismiss Klemm and Reinebold's recruiting pretty forcefully in the overhead projector luncheon

8. The kind of players we need to recruit simply do not want to come to SMU.

So then why were they beginning to look at SMU when Klemm was here?

#7 laziness? - not having the ability to recruit at Hawaii and still being successful, he is used to not having to go after players and having them come to him. Maybe he is very comfortable in his office watching film and not having to get out in the field.

As to why he hasnt hired a young coach to do the hard recruiting work, ego. Maybe he doesn't want to be upstaged by a young hungry coach.

Is the best and obvious answer.

He did dismiss Klemm and Reinebold's recruiting pretty forcefully in the overhead projector luncheon

8. The kind of players we need to recruit simply do not want to come to SMU.

So then why were they beginning to look at SMU when Klemm was here?

#7 laziness? - not having the ability to recruit at Hawaii and still being successful, he is used to not having to go after players and having them come to him. Maybe he is very comfortable in his office watching film and not having to get out in the field.

As to why he hasnt hired a young coach to do the hard recruiting work, ego. Maybe he doesn't want to be upstaged by a young hungry coach.

Is the best and obvious answer.

He did dismiss Klemm and Reinebold's recruiting pretty forcefully in the overhead projector luncheon

SEE paying for play, and all that BS

Think that has gone away becuz we, and BIG TEX died, and you are dreamin

[CalallenStang]

SEE paying for play, and all that BS

Think that has gone away becuz we, and BIG TEX died, and you are dreamin

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[SMU2007]

It isn't that we aren't competing for top players - we aren't competing for even mid tier players. Check the offer lists.

+1

[GiddyUp]

We simply are not offering the top talent in Texas, pretty obvious. I dont know the reason after 4-5 yrs. He has said on several occasions that he wants players who really want to play and be at SMU. How do they know about SMU if you don't even try or advertise? It appears most come through June's old buddies who call or send tape.

[JasonB]

Really? On rivals, I see we have sent out 104 offers. 16 4 star, 67 3 star, 18 2 star, 4 unranked.

two years ago we sent out 97 offers, last year 125.

4 and 3 star we won't argue about quality.

Of the 2 stars that have an offer in hand and have not yet made a commitment to anyone:
- 0 offers, but coaches assigned from ark and auburn, so there is certainly other interest.
- boise offer
- 2 BCS offers
- 0 BCS offers listed, but in an interview indicates that he has offers from at least 6 BCS programs
- 0 BCS offers, was a Klemm offer in September of last 7ear
- 0 BCS offers listed, but again in an interview indicates offers from several top BCS programs.

two not ranked players who have not accepted and have an offer:
- 3 BCS offers
- 4 BCS offers.

So, I am going to submit that the majority of our offers are to 3 and 4 star players, and the open offers we have to 2 and 0 star players actually have BCS interest, so they probably aren't that bad.

When I look at the list of 97 from two years ago, I see out of the 97 we offered 16 4 star players, and a bunch of 3 star players. The difference between the two is that that year we landed more three stars and didn't offer a lot of two stars. This year it looks like we swung and missed a lot more. The teams players are picking over us are the same BCS programs that we missed players to two years ago.

So, I don't think this year's class has anything to do with laziness. A difference in quality is a combo of the relationships Klemm had with gym trainers in LA and probably the ASU incident. But I don't see a difference in number of offers or number of quality offers out there.

[SMU2007]

Oh great, we sent out a bunch of offers. Believe it or not, recruiting probably requires more effort than just sending out an offer, and it certainly doesn't seem like we have any staff aggressively recruiting kids. Look at Larry Brown and his staff if you want an example of hard work on the recruiting trail. So yes, I would call that laziness.

Star inflation blah blah blah really limits the ability to say, oh look, we are getting more 3 stars this year compared to years past so we must be doing better. BCS offers are the best way to compare year to year, and frankly, this year stinks. We have hardly anyone with serious offers. We go after diamond-in the rough types, just because we want guys who "really want to be here" aka, you recruit yourself to come here.

[Rebel10]

Spin it JasonB spin it. Offers are out but recruiting is different than evaluating and sending offers. On a lot of those offers the kids had not even heard from the SMU coaches or if they had heard from them it was only once or very little and no type relationship was built (no swing and miss) while other coaching staffs were in steady contact with them. And we do not have very good relationships with some of the talent productive local hs coaches as well but that take work.