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ColoStang wrote:The Big 12 CANNOT be picked apart. C'Mon people. They all granted their TV rights for 13 years, meaning that if they leave, the Big 12 gets to still air their games and take in the revenue. Translation, no one is leaving the Big 12.

Have you read the fine print? Also, TX retained it's 3rd tier rights....

ok, so say TX goes to P12... Does B12 want to air the Tx-USC game? If so, they can. not likely.

But if they bypass tier 1, tier 2, then Tx gets to air it...gives it to P12 to air.

So...wouldn't they just negotiate this scenarios out for say $10m?

No, I didn't forget about the Big-12 schools signing over their TV rights. I agree that makes the conference secure in the short run. I am talking about the end-game. Every year that passes makes the penalty for poaching a Big-12 school a little bit smaller. 13 years may sound like a long time, but it seems like just yesterday that the SWC went bye-bye.

I might be getting the discussion a little off-track by looking down the road though. I think Stallion's list is about right . . . for now.

ponyinNC wrote:

Stallion wrote:OK things change so fast its hard to know where all the pieces fit but if the ACC is devoured by Big 10, SEC and Big 12 you will be shut out in ACC and whatare SMU's chances-need help here:

Duke
Wake Forest
Pitt
UCONN
Syracuse
Miami (depending on NCAA investigation-maybe)
Louisville
Boston College
Cincinnati (?)
South Florida(?)
UCF (?)
UH(?)
SMU(?)



Temple (x)

have to imagine BIG 12 takes a long look at Louisville, if they decide to go big...

Read the news. Louis already to the ACC - oh wait, do you mean that they implode the implosion?

Stallion wrote:OK what teams am I missing. Notre Dame (?). I'll add Navy as consideration. Note we would be right on the margins of a possibly better conference than the Big East. Would the Big East (I mean ACC) now go Nationwide too?

Ironically, ND move to ACC prompted the instability that they are about to be left out of (at least, unless they decide to join b10 or b12 all in)

UVA and UNC would feel right at home with SMU. So would ND and Navy. A new ACC is a most likely destination for us if Rick Hart and Turner will push...

Yeah I'm trying to look down the road and see if the ACC is a possibility for SMU to survive in a reasonably decent conference.

Agreed. We just have to hope that 5 conferences live on, not 4. and that they all want to get to 16+

Louisville may never end up playing a game in the ACC

Stallion wrote:Yeah I'm trying to look down the road and see if the ACC is a possibility for SMU to survive in a reasonably decent conference.

In this scenario, I have little doubt SMU would be invited to the ACC if it went back to 12. If the ACC goes to 14 or 16, our presence is a certainty.

Imo we belong in a conf w duke and wake. I fear Tulane tags along though and then you'll have the primordial magnolia league

big markets which would be especially good for BB Contract I would think

I think acc survives, but is more basketball-centric than football.

Here is my crystal ball, 5x16 scenario:

SEC
Texas A&M
Vanderbilt
Florida
Missouri
Alabama
Kentucky
Tennessee
Arkansas
Georgia
Louisiana State University
South Carolina
Auburn
Mississippi
Mississippi State University
NC State
Va Tech

B1G
Nebraska
Michigan
Northwestern
Michigan State
Minnesota
Iowa
Ohio State
Penn State
Wisconsin
Purdue
Indiana
Illinois
Maryland
Rutgers
Ga Tech
UNC/UVA (?)

Big12
Kansas State
Oklahoma
Texas
Oklahoma State
TCU
Texas Tech
Baylor
West Virginia
Iowa State
Kansas
FSU
Clemson
Miami
BYU(?)
Louisville (?)
Boise (?)

Pac12
Oregon
Stanford
Oregon State
Washington
California
Washington State
UCLA
USC
Arizona State
Arizona
Utah
Colorado
SDSU?
Fresno?
?
?

ACC
Duke
Wake Forest
Pitt
BC
UCONN
Syracuse
Cincinnati
UNC/UVA (?)
South Florida
UCF
Navy
UH(?)
SMU(?)
Temple(?)
Memphis(?)
Tulane(?)


ND gets to stay indy...???

Well I am glad we got that all sorted out.

RGV Pony wrote:Imo we belong in a conf w duke and wake. I fear Tulane tags along though and then you'll have the primordial magnolia league

Sounds like a good academic conference. Might be a good selling point since it will no doubt be considered outside the Big 4, which no doubt will be the eventual layout

PAC will not take Fresno or SDSU but I admit the Big 12 really screwed them and they are left with basically no good options if it was mandated that they go to 16. I'm not one of these guys that think SMU to PAC is likely but SMU might have a shot before Fresno. Nevada would, UNLV would but I seriously doubt Fresno. In fact, I think they'd refuse to budge off 12