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East Coast Mustang wrote:Everyone acting like our new conference is the worst- which conference do you think we should join?

If you say MWC then your opinion is immediately discarded because you've proved what an idiot you are

I really want us to join the Mountain West Conference.

jkflamebo wrote:

East Coast Mustang wrote:Everyone acting like our new conference is the worst- which conference do you think we should join?

If you say MWC then your opinion is immediately discarded because you've proved what an idiot you are

I really want us to join the Mountain West Conference.

Stallion wrote:can't afford to act like BCS team-we just blew a Million on cancelling the Baylor game

Are you saying SMU paid a $1M penalty for backing out or that the potential revenue loss is $1M?

No, I'm talking revenues. Just a Math question. Baylor would have been a premium priced ticket. All seats at A&M game were $95 last year but lets say $80 because the price seemed to high last year. We should anticipate at a minimum a loss of 15,000 in ticket sales. I believe it will be more. I'm not sure of AVERAGE ticket price but say $40-unlike with Baylor premium seats I'm sure SMU would not priced all seats to Montana St at premium price like against A&M-so you'd have to know average seat price and it would be more difficult to calculate depending also on promotions-but just running some numbers.

$80 x 32,000 = $2.56 Million (assuming sellout-no SRO)
$40 x 17,000 = $680,000

then we had to pay Montana St what $300,000 for their cut. I'm not sure what Baylor's cut would have been but I don't think it is that much on back to backs. We haven't even started talking about parking, concessions and increased season ticket packages sold-both full and mini-packages including Mustang Club licenses. Plus this game would have been televised because ESPN wouldn't pass up chance to televise a BCS school at a tenth of the price. I'd say a Million is a very conservative estimate. Hope someone asks Hart the question.

Stallion - Just playing Devil's advocate here as I agree with you...but,

If we make a bowl this year at 6 wins, will it have been worth it to trade out the Montana win for a tough game and potential loss against Baylor??

And before you guys tell me how great Monata St is and they might actually win, I will remind you that they are still an FCS team and we SHOULD beat them soundly.

Revenue-wise, aren't bowls nearly always revenue losers...so we essentially paid on the slim chance we go to a bowl and lose more money? I know, I know...exposure, donations and applications go up with bowls but purely revenue-wise, we lost doubly

any bowl game SMU might qualify for is a break even at best game...it's about publicity and exposure

Stallion wrote:No, I'm talking revenues. Just a Math question. Baylor would have been a premium priced ticket. All seats at A&M game were $95 last year but lets say $80 because the price seemed to high last year. We should anticipate at a minimum a loss of 15,000 in ticket sales. I believe it will be more. I'm not sure of AVERAGE ticket price but say $40-unlike with Baylor premium seats I'm sure SMU would not priced all seats to Montana St at premium price like against A&M-so you'd have to know average seat price and it would be more difficult to calculate depending also on promotions-but just running some numbers.

$80 x 32,000 = $2.56 Million (assuming sellout-no SRO)
$40 x 17,000 = $680,000

then we had to pay Montana St what $300,000 for their cut. I'm not sure what Baylor's cut would have been but I don't think it is that much on back to backs. We haven't even started talking about parking, concessions and increased season ticket packages sold-both full and mini-packages including Mustang Club licenses. Plus this game would have been televised because ESPN wouldn't pass up chance to televise a BCS school at a tenth of the price. I'd say a Million is a very conservative estimate. Hope someone asks Hart the question.

I sent Hart an email reflecting essentially the same numbers and asking who made such a horrendous decision. A response was received from a staff employee stating that it was in the best interest of the program that we have an easier game as JJ sought to continue his bowl streak and that was going to be impossible if we did not get out of at least one of the first 4 games. My response was that JJ should have thought about that 3 years ago and not sat on his butt with minimal recruiting efforts. This whole cancellation is an embarrassment.

I emailed as well and got a timely, lengthy and professional response from hart, but he did not get specific about the financial impact. I was pretty happy with the response though, more than I deserved given the length and tone of my email.

Just curious. . .How much does it cost to fund equestrian sports?

LHS81 wrote:Just curious. . .How much does it cost to fund equestrian sports?

Not as much as you think. Rich people donate their horses for tax purposes. The NCEA has a very extensive donor horse program. The horses don't travel either.

Has Larry Brown made any comments about the new Big East....I know we loved the idea of big east basketball

Hart had his chance to cancell the A&M game--and was pressured by A&M through his father who was contacted by them to "encourage" his son not to do so. Cancelling the Baylor game made no sense. Playing the Aggies this year does nothing for the program, just more cannon fodder in College Station for a team on a roll.

This story about A&M's pressure is going around not just here in Dallas, but with my Aggie friends as well.\

What I want to hear from him, is that he has put together a contingency plan and that Turner actually let's him sit at the Big Boys table during these conference meetings. Anyone that claims he hasn't heard about the conference selling its brand name and not providing an even financial split on various conference receipts after being posted in three publications is either so far out of the loop or just told to keep quiet on the matter.

Mexmustang wrote:Hart had his chance to cancell the A&M game--and was pressured by A&M through his father who was contacted by them to "encourage" his son not to do so. Cancelling the Baylor game made no sense. Playing the Aggies this year does nothing for the program, just more cannon fodder in College Station for a team on a roll.

This story about A&M's pressure is going around not just here in Dallas, but with my Aggie friends as well.\

What I want to hear from him, is that he has put together a contingency plan and that Turner actually let's him sit at the Big Boys table during these conference meetings. Anyone that claims he hasn't heard about the conference selling its brand name and not providing an even financial split on various conference receipts after being posted in three publications is either so far out of the loop or just told to keep quiet on the matter.

Where did he claim he had not heard about it? I have not seen anything that said that.

Conversations posted Monday by one our member's of the C of C on Rivals regarding a personal conversation concerning the articles were which were reproduced by other members. Part of these articles were re-printed by the DMN the next day. The articles speculated that the conference name was sold to the departing Holy 7 and that the three remaining members were claiming as much as 80% (or so) of share of the departure fees, NCAA residuals, a sale of the brand. etc. The articles differ slightly in content, but created a uproar--the "last straw" regarding staying in this sinking vessel or not. No one really knows how it will eventually come down. But, it was disappointing that not only did he have no comment, he clearly stated he knew nothing about the articles or speculation concerning surronding these. Certainly, someone leaked it to the press and some schools may have actually taken that initial position. As we have clearly learned our administration has been wrong 17 times (the number of schools, leaving, doing touch and go or planning to leave next year) and completely wrong about prospective revenues. In the end we seem to be paying three schools for the right for them to join the former CUSA.