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ponynut wrote:All we can sell is education.

East Coast Mustang wrote:

ponynut wrote:All we can sell is education.

Not true. We need to sell DALLAS the city as a place to spend four years. It's a hell of a lot better than Waco, Ft. Worth, Lubbock, etc.

ponynut wrote:Recruiting would be so much easier if we could put some STUDENTS and FANS in the stadium. All we can sell is education. I have great respect for our players and only wish them the best.

Mustangsabu wrote:

East Coast Mustang wrote:

ponynut wrote:All we can sell is education.

Not true. We need to sell DALLAS the city as a place to spend four years. It's a hell of a lot better than Waco, Ft. Worth, Lubbock, etc.

Fort Worth is a great city. Thankfully close enough to allow me to live here and enjoy my Ponies.

East Coast Mustang wrote:

Mustangsabu wrote:

East Coast Mustang wrote: Not true. We need to sell DALLAS the city as a place to spend four years. It's a hell of a lot better than Waco, Ft. Worth, Lubbock, etc.

Fort Worth is a great city. Thankfully close enough to allow me to live here and enjoy my Ponies.

If you're an 18 year old African-American male, I think Dallas would have a lot more to offer than Ft. Worth. Maybe I'm wrong though

East Coast Mustang wrote:
If you're an 18 year old African-American male, I think Dallas would have a lot more to offer than Ft. Worth. Maybe I'm wrong though

Mustangsabu wrote:The players on the field and the sidelines for SMU didn't appear as if from nowhere. They were recruited. By June's staff. Now, I know that rather than support those players we have chosen to lay siege to our HC because those players do not represent the sort of "recruiting" we want to see, so let's just make our positions clear.

June came here thinking that top tier talent was going to knock on his door. This has not been the case. Part of that was that June figured that he would turn the program around, the stadium would fill up and there would be something to sell to the recruits that were banging down said door. This has also not been the case. The program did turn around but the top tier recruits didn't come knocking.

However, if we had a different coach, the top tier talent that was not knocking on the door before, will decide that they would rather come here than the top tier programs they have been offered by, whose doors they probably were knocking on.

I'm not saying it isn't possible. And Klemm is credited with some higher level recruiting, though it is imperative that JJ not be given any credit for hiring Klemm and facilitating that recruiting. I'm just saying that the position of the "Recruiting Lynch Mob" is that another coach will get the players here to take us to the next level. And that is the whole sum total of their argument. But the truth is we have no idea what will happen. They are uncharted waters. We hire a coach who recruits like a maniac and we wait 4-5 years for his team to mature and gel, and discover if a) he can actually coach and b) whether the talent was actually top tier. And it might work out great. Might. But people would much rather that than keep a coach who has proved that he makes players better, has a proven track record, has strong ties to the next level which is at least a carrot to dangle in front of recruits, and who has a system that will level the playing field while the team develops, even if it is only by beating nobodies at home. People pretend that if JJ sees out his contract we will be in no-man's land with the cupboard bare and misery reigning. Where is the actual, tangible evidence of that? A 42-13 loss to ATM and it's Heisman winning QB?

So many people are so sure of their justification and so enamored with their own understanding of college football that they are not even prepared to wait until the end of the season to measure where we are as a program, which is, by the way, the way any program in the country approaches the evaluation of a football program. I don't believe a single HC has been fired yet this season in D1 football. But we should be the first, of course.

But back to the original point. We have an entire roster of players recruited by this staff, enrolled at our university and a large segment of the fanbase apparently wants them to fail so they can fuel the tiki-torches for the posse....

Yeah, I'm not sure Saban could save this program from its own fans.....

couch 'em wrote:

Mustangsabu wrote:The players on the field and the sidelines for SMU didn't appear as if from nowhere. They were recruited. By June's staff. Now, I know that rather than support those players we have chosen to lay siege to our HC because those players do not represent the sort of "recruiting" we want to see, so let's just make our positions clear.

June came here thinking that top tier talent was going to knock on his door. This has not been the case. Part of that was that June figured that he would turn the program around, the stadium would fill up and there would be something to sell to the recruits that were banging down said door. This has also not been the case. The program did turn around but the top tier recruits didn't come knocking.

However, if we had a different coach, the top tier talent that was not knocking on the door before, will decide that they would rather come here than the top tier programs they have been offered by, whose doors they probably were knocking on.

I'm not saying it isn't possible. And Klemm is credited with some higher level recruiting, though it is imperative that JJ not be given any credit for hiring Klemm and facilitating that recruiting. I'm just saying that the position of the "Recruiting Lynch Mob" is that another coach will get the players here to take us to the next level. And that is the whole sum total of their argument. But the truth is we have no idea what will happen. They are uncharted waters. We hire a coach who recruits like a maniac and we wait 4-5 years for his team to mature and gel, and discover if a) he can actually coach and b) whether the talent was actually top tier. And it might work out great. Might. But people would much rather that than keep a coach who has proved that he makes players better, has a proven track record, has strong ties to the next level which is at least a carrot to dangle in front of recruits, and who has a system that will level the playing field while the team develops, even if it is only by beating nobodies at home. People pretend that if JJ sees out his contract we will be in no-man's land with the cupboard bare and misery reigning. Where is the actual, tangible evidence of that? A 42-13 loss to ATM and it's Heisman winning QB?

So many people are so sure of their justification and so enamored with their own understanding of college football that they are not even prepared to wait until the end of the season to measure where we are as a program, which is, by the way, the way any program in the country approaches the evaluation of a football program. I don't believe a single HC has been fired yet this season in D1 football. But we should be the first, of course.

But back to the original point. We have an entire roster of players recruited by this staff, enrolled at our university and a large segment of the fanbase apparently wants them to fail so they can fuel the tiki-torches for the posse....

Yeah, I'm not sure Saban could save this program from its own fans.....

Has anyone met this guy? He sounds like one of the relative-of-a-coach tyoes that were Bennett diehards and disappeared from the board the day he was fired.

couch 'em wrote:Has anyone met this guy? He sounds like one of the relative-of-a-coach tyoes that were Bennett diehards and disappeared from the board the day he was fired.

Stallion wrote:where's bigdaddy? Justin Willis' relative. He was always fun when he got excited. You can also tell the 4 year Mustang Fans. Just for fun-do we have any close relatives on the board of players say pre 2008?

Mustangsabu wrote:

Stallion wrote:where's bigdaddy? Justin Willis' relative. He was always fun when he got excited. You can also tell the 4 year Mustang Fans. Just for fun-do we have any close relatives on the board of players say pre 2008?

The invitation is open to all. I'll even buy the first round!

ponyboy wrote:

couch 'em wrote:Has anyone met this guy? He sounds like one of the relative-of-a-coach tyoes that were Bennett diehards and disappeared from the board the day he was fired.

That's the kind of thing people say when their cherished preconceptions are challenged by a friendly, smart person with a firm grasp of reality.

ponyinNC wrote:

Mustangsabu wrote:

Stallion wrote:where's bigdaddy? Justin Willis' relative. He was always fun when he got excited. You can also tell the 4 year Mustang Fans. Just for fun-do we have any close relatives on the board of players say pre 2008?

The invitation is open to all. I'll even buy the first round!

I'll be in town for the Rutgers gamem - any my pint of choice is Chimay!