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blackoutpony wrote:

feelthehorsepower wrote:We need to build depth on both sides of the ground: Running Backs, and stopping the run from our opponents.
TCU, Cincy, UCF and most teams we play run the ball. If we move to a P5 conference, we need to be able to run the ball if we want to win.

Stop talking about moving to a P5 conference. You clearly don't understand what GOR is

I know what a GOR is. What are you trying to say? We will never join a P5? Is that what you are all annoyed about when I keep bringing it up?

GOR doesn't preclude us from the P5 however our on the field product, lack of support, and lame duck coach is keeping us from any chance of it. I think UCF right now has the possibility of going to the ACC or Big 12 since ACC GOR keeps them from stealing any teams. They're large university in Florida with a growing fan base that can compete and beat P5 teams.

feelthehorsepower wrote:

blackoutpony wrote:

feelthehorsepower wrote:We need to build depth on both sides of the ground: Running Backs, and stopping the run from our opponents.
TCU, Cincy, UCF and most teams we play run the ball. If we move to a P5 conference, we need to be able to run the ball if we want to win.

Stop talking about moving to a P5 conference. You clearly don't understand what GOR is

I know what a GOR is. What are you trying to say? We will never join a P5? Is that what you are all annoyed about when I keep bringing it up?

You talk about it like it's going to happen next year which frustrates me because that's complete lunacy. It's lunacy to talk about it like its inevitable.

Right now, the door is shut and shut tight, in 10 years when people grant of rights start coming up, who knows. In ten years it won't matter unless we start winning and beating teams that matter. Contrary to popular pony fans belief, Cincinnati and UCF don't matter.

SMU_Alumni11 wrote:GOR doesn't preclude us from the P5 however our on the field product, lack of support, and lame duck coach is keeping us from any chance of it. I think UCF right now has the possibility of going to the ACC or Big 12 since ACC GOR keeps them from stealing any teams. They're large university in Florida with a growing fan base that can compete and beat P5 teams.

My point with the GOR is that we won't be added until someone else gets poached when the GORs are up because we add nothing, we would just leach money.

blackoutpony wrote:

SMU_Alumni11 wrote:GOR doesn't preclude us from the P5 however our on the field product, lack of support, and lame duck coach is keeping us from any chance of it. I think UCF right now has the possibility of going to the ACC or Big 12 since ACC GOR keeps them from stealing any teams. They're large university in Florida with a growing fan base that can compete and beat P5 teams.

My point with the GOR is that we won't be added until someone else gets poached when the GORs are up because we add nothing, we would just leach money.

Totally agree with that. The best thing we can do is get better, beat big time teams, and make the AAC look like a legitimate conference... Sadly with our luck I doubt that will happen.

SMU_Alumni11 wrote:

blackoutpony wrote:

SMU_Alumni11 wrote:GOR doesn't preclude us from the P5 however our on the field product, lack of support, and lame duck coach is keeping us from any chance of it. I think UCF right now has the possibility of going to the ACC or Big 12 since ACC GOR keeps them from stealing any teams. They're large university in Florida with a growing fan base that can compete and beat P5 teams.

My point with the GOR is that we won't be added until someone else gets poached when the GORs are up because we add nothing, we would just leach money.

Totally agree with that. The best thing we can do is get better, beat big time teams, and make the AAC look like a legitimate conference... Sadly with our luck I doubt that will happen.

The AAC is top heavy and will never truly get respect until the bottom half is at least mediocre. You can't have Temple, UCONN and Memphis being as terrible as they are right now. I'm talking at least a 4 win floor

True adding Tulane blows my mind. I'm hoping ECU will make up for it and same for Tulsa. I think if Memphis keeps putting money into their program they will get to mediocrity. As long as we assume no conference changes, then time is on our side. SMU needs to focus on being the top team in the conference and build up its fan base in hopefully a grassroots sort of way so when the shift comes, maybe we will be a contender. Now I'll say as a disclosure: this is not assuming this will happen in less than 5 years.

blackoutpony wrote: Right now, the door is shut and shut tight, in 10 years when people grant of rights start coming up, who knows. In ten years it won't matter unless we start winning and beating teams that matter. Contrary to popular pony fans belief, Cincinnati and UCF don't matter.

True, conferences will not change much in the next few years. I say that us going to a P5 should be a top priority for our program when the next GOR talks come by for the Big 12 and ACC. Cincy and UCF don't matter, they are in the same boat as we are.

feelthehorsepower wrote:

blackoutpony wrote: Right now, the door is shut and shut tight, in 10 years when people grant of rights start coming up, who knows. In ten years it won't matter unless we start winning and beating teams that matter. Contrary to popular pony fans belief, Cincinnati and UCF don't matter.

True, conferences will not change much in the next few years. I say that us going to a P5 should be a top priority for our program when the next GOR talks come by for the Big 12 and ACC. Cincy and UCF don't matter, they are in the same boat as we are.

Obviously it needs to be and whether RGT and Hart think so is another matter. I fear that they are content and or apathetic.

Big O at least understood with the SMU 2 Big 12 and SMU 2 BCS stuff

We're never going to be in the Big XII. Ever. Not at least the conference it is now and as long as Texas is a part of it. The bastard XII? Sure.

SMU_Alumni11 wrote:Totally agree with that. The best thing we can do is get better, beat big time teams, and make the AAC look like a legitimate conference... Sadly with our luck I doubt that will happen.

The AAC is top heavy and will never truly get respect until the bottom half is at least mediocre. You can't have Temple, UCONN and Memphis being as terrible as they are right now. I'm talking at least a 4 win floor[/quote]

Also, the AAC could become a de facto Power Conference itself...Let me explain: right now the AAC does not have a GOR negotiated. I think we have a small time 150 million deal until 2015 or 2016 at the moment.

You are correct. The conference is top heavy at this point in time. The best teams right now are Houston and UCF, followed by Cincy, SMU and then the other teams that are doing horrible like Temple, USF, UConn and Memphis. We have Tulane, Tulsa and East Carolina coming in, as well as Navy for football only. But I see lots of potential.

South Florida - They have been to the Sun bowl and they beat Clemson at the Meineke Car Care bowl in 2010. This is a program that can come back and be competitive. USF is good in basketball.

UConn - They made the Fiesta bowl in 2010, losing to OU and have been somewhat okay in Football. Lately they have been sucking but they can come back. UConn is beast in basketball.

Temple - Temple has sucked in Football lately. They joined the big east the year before implosion. Basketball is their forte.

UCF - one of the top football teams in the conference at the moment. They enjoyed CUSA championships as well as going bowling a lot while in the previous conference. They are ranked, have been ranked before. They are also very good in basketball.

Houston - Coog High has enjoyed recent football success, being ranked in 2011, losing to Southern Miss which probably killed their chances of going bowling in a big one. Basketball was good last year.

Cincy - Cincy has been very good in FB lately. Going bowling to the Orange bowl and Sugar bowl in 2008 and 2009 and being #9. Now with Tuberville this team has a lot of upside in Football. Basketball is good too. They have been ranked recently and show up to the NCAA tournament.

Memphis - They have at best been mediocre. They can become more competitive in FB. Basketball is a whole nother story as memphis is beast in bball.

SMU - Only team in the conference that has truly been big time. We have won national championships and multiple bowl visits under our belt, of course pre 1987 (DP). Since then, we are back to being competitive in football under June Jones and there is still a long way to go. Our basketball under Larry brown has a lot of promise.

What I am trying to say is that there is a lot of upside for the conference. We have to recruit better and compete. We all have the potential to build fan bases for football and basketball and that is the way you become a Power Conference, by signing a GOR with a sports network due to the attractiveness of our programs in the national stage as well as our own markets.

If we can manage to have at least several of our programs in the top 25 consistently (Houston, UCF, SMU, Cincy, USF, UConn [if they get back on their feet]) and our schools start beating teams from Big 12, SEC, ACC, Pac 12, Big Ten in OOC and bowl games, as well as become a hot basketball conference...we don't need to go anywhere. We will be in a Power conference once we sign a large GOR with ESPN or FS whoever wants us.

blackoutpony wrote:

feelthehorsepower wrote:

blackoutpony wrote: Right now, the door is shut and shut tight, in 10 years when people grant of rights start coming up, who knows. In ten years it won't matter unless we start winning and beating teams that matter. Contrary to popular pony fans belief, Cincinnati and UCF don't matter.

True, conferences will not change much in the next few years. I say that us going to a P5 should be a top priority for our program when the next GOR talks come by for the Big 12 and ACC. Cincy and UCF don't matter, they are in the same boat as we are.

Obviously it needs to be and whether RGT and Hart think so is another matter. I fear that they are content and or apathetic.

Big O at least understood with the SMU 2 Big 12 and SMU 2 BCS stuff

We're never going to be in the Big XII. Ever. Not at least the conference it is now and as long as Texas is a part of it. The bastard XII? Sure.

Read my previous post...we might not have to go to another conference.

Also, the American is probably the only large conference that can add schools due to not having a GOR signed. Possibly poach some teams out of MWC that are worth it and probably won't get into Pac 12? (Boise, SDSU?)

You're literally the village idiot

blackoutpony wrote:You're literally the village idiot

Enlighten us with your intelligence, oh mighty Blackout Pony

Running is not a big part of the Run 'N' Shoot. The "Run" refers to the WRs and the "Shoot" is pretty self-explanatory. JJ realized how good Zach Line was and with inconsistecy at the QB position, he decided to incorporated that into the play-calling. Not to say that our current running backs are bad, but they're no Zach Line; therefore, with a competent QB and WRs, it's back to the Run 'N' Shoot/Air Raid as it was meant to be. Most of the recruiting efforts for skill positions will be aimed at WRs and QBs.

Of course, I don't know any of this for sure, but it makes perfect sense in my head.