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Re: Switch to 4-3 next year?
Posted: Fri Nov 22, 2013 9:35 am
by PonyPlayer4
The reason why teams switch to the 3-4 in the first place is 1. to get more speed on the field and 2. the lack of quality DLs on the roster. We are still greatly hurting on #2.
Re: Switch to 4-3 next year?
Posted: Fri Nov 22, 2013 10:19 am
by David70
I disagree. Having a 3-4 defense is harder to recruit for DL. In the NFL or high level colleges like Alabama, OU, & LSU type schools you can either draft or recruit the type of athelete you need to run a 3-4 from a DL perspective. Where SMU is right now I believe that they have the talent for a 4-3 defense and it is much easier to recruit the HS atheletes to run a 4-3 scheme. When the defense has done well this year has been when they have added either a LB or DL and pressured the QB. They have to run stunts with the LB's which then puts pressure on the secondary. With a 4-3 I believe we could be more consistent in slowing the run and putting pressure on the QB with the DL we have now.
Re: Switch to 4-3 next year?
Posted: Fri Nov 22, 2013 10:33 am
by PerunaPunch
Grant Carter wrote:I have heard mason say a number of times that he switched to the 3-4 because to combat the spread offenses you need more quickness.
This is correct. Mason is on record saying he switched to the 3-4 to better match up against opponents in the pass-happy CUSA. Going forward, the new conference looks to be bigger and more balanced.
Right now, maybe we need 4 down just to generate some sort of pass rush, cause we're not getting much right now from what I can tell. Next year, I like Beau Barnes as a senior and I like the potential of Zelt Minor and Spencer Hollie as big DEs that might convert to DTs in a 4-3. And I really like the idea of Stephon Sanders as a standup, weak-side, pass rushing DE moreso than a LB dropping back into coverage (just seems like he's a lot more effective when he's up on the line of scrimmage).
On top of all of that, we really don't have a monster NT on the roster, so I wonder if our personnel isn't better suited for 4-3.
Re: Switch to 4-3 next year?
Posted: Fri Nov 22, 2013 10:38 am
by PerunaPunch
David70 wrote: Having a 3-4 defense is harder to recruit for DL.
Yes, these kinds of athletes are few and far between. Have often heard this is one of the hardest (if not
the hardest) position to recruit.
David70 wrote:When the defense has done well this year has been when they have added either a LB or DL and pressured the QB. They have to run stunts with the LB's which then puts pressure on the secondary. With a 4-3 I believe we could be more consistent in slowing the run and putting pressure on the QB with the DL we have now.
Agreed. Or the occasional blitzing DB. Makes me appreciate Taylor Thompson, Margus, Frazier and Pitt.
Re: Switch to 4-3 next year?
Posted: Fri Nov 22, 2013 11:08 am
by East Coast Mustang
Grant Carter wrote:redpony wrote:Prolly not important- If jj is still here there won't be more than 5k in the stands to see this continuing disaster. Remember his recruiting for the last year and this year is a joke. He has checked out and is now only interested in getting his check.
The original poster framed the question as a tactical question that applies whether we have a new coach or not. There are a lot of threads where your comment would be relevant (though perhaps not original), but this is not one of them. What is wrong with a discussion about football tactics on their merits independent of who is coaching and how many people will be in the stands? If you feel like the discussion does not matter then just click on another thread and let those that do want to discuss the specific topic do so.
Thank you. Not every single thread needs to be derailed with negativity
Re: Switch to 4-3 next year?
Posted: Fri Nov 22, 2013 5:58 pm
by feelthehorsepower
East Coast Mustang wrote:Not sure if any coaching staff changes are going to be made next year, and I'm just thinking out loud here, but would it make sense for us to go back to a traditional 4-3 next season? Personnel wise, we are razor thin at both MLB and DT, but it seems to me that a 4-3 would allow us to put more of our best players on the field in the front seven, moving Sanders to DE and allowing Seals and Yenga to man the OLB spots:
DE: Sanders, Minor (could start opposite Sanders too), Nabusoshi
DT: Wright, McCleneghan
DT: Reed (if he's not eclipsing Eric Dickerson's records), Hollie
DE: Barnes/Wood, Lawler
OLB: Seals
MLB: Bordano, D. Halverson (?)
OLB: Yenga
Obviously you don't change defensive schemes to accommodate your personnel for one year, but the 3-4 requires some pretty specific personnel requirements (big MLBs who can stop the run, massive NT who can occupy blockers) that are difficult for a lot of teams to recruit for, not just us. 320lb nose tackles who can effectively occupy blockers and free up LBs to make plays don't grow on trees.
Given our defensive struggles recently, especially against the run, I think it's something to consider.
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Re: Switch to 4-3 next year?
Posted: Fri Nov 22, 2013 11:26 pm
by East Coast Mustang
feelthehorsepower wrote:East Coast Mustang wrote:Not sure if any coaching staff changes are going to be made next year, and I'm just thinking out loud here, but would it make sense for us to go back to a traditional 4-3 next season? Personnel wise, we are razor thin at both MLB and DT, but it seems to me that a 4-3 would allow us to put more of our best players on the field in the front seven, moving Sanders to DE and allowing Seals and Yenga to man the OLB spots:
DE: Sanders, Minor (could start opposite Sanders too), Nabusoshi
DT: Wright, McCleneghan
DT: Reed (if he's not eclipsing Eric Dickerson's records), Hollie
DE: Barnes/Wood, Lawler
OLB: Seals
MLB: Bordano, D. Halverson (?)
OLB: Yenga
Obviously you don't change defensive schemes to accommodate your personnel for one year, but the 3-4 requires some pretty specific personnel requirements (big MLBs who can stop the run, massive NT who can occupy blockers) that are difficult for a lot of teams to recruit for, not just us. 320lb nose tackles who can effectively occupy blockers and free up LBs to make plays don't grow on trees.
Given our defensive struggles recently, especially against the run, I think it's something to consider.
Our Coach's name is June "June Bug" Jones, not East Coast Mustang! Stop opening threads already!!!!
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Re: Switch to 4-3 next year?
Posted: Fri Nov 22, 2013 11:27 pm
by East Coast Mustang
David70 wrote:I disagree. Having a 3-4 defense is harder to recruit for DL. In the NFL or high level colleges like Alabama, OU, & LSU type schools you can either draft or recruit the type of athelete you need to run a 3-4 from a DL perspective. Where SMU is right now I believe that they have the talent for a 4-3 defense and it is much easier to recruit the HS atheletes to run a 4-3 scheme. When the defense has done well this year has been when they have added either a LB or DL and pressured the QB. They have to run stunts with the LB's which then puts pressure on the secondary. With a 4-3 I believe we could be more consistent in slowing the run and putting pressure on the QB with the DL we have now.
Agree with everything you said here.
Re: Switch to 4-3 next year?
Posted: Fri Nov 22, 2013 11:33 pm
by Stallion
From a recruiting perspective that goes against the actual numbers. You can count on 1 hand the number of great Interior defensive lineman even in the State of Texas. There is just not enough to go around. Multiple times more top DE and LB prospects-plus schools recruit RBs, TEs and tall SSs and make great LBs and DEs in College. I doubt you can find a coach or recruiting analyst to dispute those facts. For example, there are only 5 DTs rated in Rivals Texas Top 100 and that's common pretty much every year. In comparison there are 13 LBs and 10 DEs and that doesn't even include the many kids moved to those positions who were RBs, TE and Tall SSs in high school.
Example: Kevin Pope was RB in high school, Randall Joyner was a RB/S in high school. JaGared Davis was a SS in high school. Markus Hunt was a Discus thrower in Estonia. TCU has developed several All American candidates at DE and LB who were high school TEs and RBs.
Re: Switch to 4-3 next year?
Posted: Fri Nov 22, 2013 11:49 pm
by East Coast Mustang
Stallion wrote:From a recruiting perspective that goes against the actual numbers. You can count on 1 hand the number of great Interior defensive lineman even in the State of Texas. There is just not enough to go around. Multiple times more top DE and LB prospects-plus schools recruit RBs, TEs and tall SSs and make great LBs and DEs in College. I doubt you can find a coach or recruiting analyst to dispute those facts. For example, there are only 5 DTs rated in Rivals Texas Top 100 and that's common pretty much every year. In comparison there are 13 LBs and 10 DEs and that doesn't even include the many kids moved to those positions who were RBs, TE and Tall SSs in high school.
Example: Kevin Pope was RB in high school,
Yeah, I don't disagree, quality interior DLs are definitely hard to come by. But you essentially need three quality interior DLs in terms of size and skill along the front of an effective 3-4.
Re: Switch to 4-3 next year?
Posted: Sat Nov 23, 2013 9:30 am
by PonySnob
We can find some "diamonds in the rough".........
Re: Switch to 4-3 next year?
Posted: Sat Nov 23, 2013 11:53 am
by CenTXpony
PonySnob wrote:We can find some "diamonds in the rough".........
Do we even have those? I've seen nothing but rhinestones.
Re: Switch to 4-3 next year?
Posted: Sat Nov 23, 2013 12:29 pm
by mrydel
CenTXpony wrote:PonySnob wrote:We can find some "diamonds in the rough".........
Do we even have those? I've seen nothing but rhinestones.
Those are typically Cowboys