What's the better job: Wake or SMU?

[East Coast Mustang]

Wake for the same reason Art Briles left his alma mater UH for Baylor

What reason is that?

Baylor was able to pay a lot more than UH ever could. Not sure the same discrepancy exists between SMU and Wake

ACC >>>>> aac.
ACC teams >>>>>>>>> who's in our conference again?
ACC TV $$$$$$$$$$$$$ >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>. aac $
ACC access to big SSSSSSSSSSSS game >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>. aac toilet bowl in a baseball stadium
ACC tradition, history, stature and brand recognition >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> what conference are we in again?
Wake fan support >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> smu's 200 fans

Do I need to go on?

My point is, Morris is an offensive guru who has the potential to climb the ranks very quickly. But you saw how his Clemson offense struggled in that shellacking to FSU- do you think he can get the guys at Wake to compete with FSU, Miami, VT, Clemson, etc? Does he want to risk flaming out there where, as ponyinNC said, all the in-state guys would rather go to UNC, NC State, Clemson, or any SEC school?

Or he can go to SMU, located in the middle of the hottest recruiting bed in the country, and compete for conference championships right away. What's an easier place to build up your coaching resume? and as I said, the pay is about the same

[feelthehorsepower]

also, let us not pretend that either school would be the final destination for MOrris. he is a Malzahn type talent, and would likely only use either job as a stepping stone to eventual SEC or P5 job (other than Wake I mean).

Totally agree. I am completely fine with someone like Morris using us for 2-3 years, winning 10+ games, and then bailing for a bigger job.

Although I'd like to think living in Dallas and making $2M a year might make it a little harder to leave for Starkville/Fayetteville/Stillwater/wherever

The bigger job could be his alma mater Texas A&M, or something else like Texas.

You also have to look at this. If he were to come to SMU and in 2-3 years gets us winning 10+ games...the program would skyrocket. 10+ win seasons does miracles for attendance/TV coverage. Also not to mention that his hire alone would make SMU the hot topic at ESPN as well as pack the Ford for our first few games, and if he wins them all...trust me that stadium will be packed.
He could also stay in SMU for 10 years a la Gary Patterson and build this program into a powerhouse and get us invited into P5 after that success. The guy will have 2 BCS bowls in his belt coming in here, and his offense is AWESOME to say the least. TRIPLE OPTION HERE WE COME!

[sbsmith]

Or he can go to SMU, located in the middle of the hottest recruiting bed in the country, and compete for conference championships right away. What's an easier place to build up your coaching resume? and as I said, the pay is about the same

Honestly, Clemson would be a better place to build up his coaching resume.

[Stallion]

For the record Jim Grobe earned more than June Jones $2,251,635. June Jones is just about BCS minimum now for new coaching hirers who all loved that SMU blew the salary cap

[East Coast Mustang]

Or he can go to SMU, located in the middle of the hottest recruiting bed in the country, and compete for conference championships right away. What's an easier place to build up your coaching resume? and as I said, the pay is about the same

Honestly, Clemson would be a better place to build up his coaching resume.

Possibly true, but I think a lot of P5 jobs look for HC experience

[sbsmith]

Or he can go to SMU, located in the middle of the hottest recruiting bed in the country, and compete for conference championships right away. What's an easier place to build up your coaching resume? and as I said, the pay is about the same

Honestly, Clemson would be a better place to build up his coaching resume.

Possibly true, but I think a lot of P5 jobs look for HC experience

About a 1/3 of P5 HCs had no previous HC experience

1.Florida- Will Muschamp DC/HCIW Texas
2. Vanderbilt- James Franklin OC Maryland
3. Louisville- Charlie Strong DC Florida
4. Clemson- Dabo Swinney WR coach Clemson
5. Florida State- Jimbo Fisher OC/HCIW Florida State
6. Oklahoma State- Mike Gundy OC Oklahoma State
7. Iowa State- Paul Rhoads DC Auburn
8. Oklahoma- Bob Stoops DC Florida
9. Texas Tech- Kliff Kingsbury OC Texas A&M
10. Nebraska- Bo Pelini DC LSU
11. Northwestern- Pat Fitzgerald LB coach Northwestern
12. Stanford- David Shaw OC Stanford
13. Oregon- Mark Helfrich OC Oregon
14. Washington- Steve Sarkisian OC USC
15. Georgia- Mark Richt OC Florida State
16. Kentucky- Mark Stoops DC Florida State
17. Mississippi State- Dan Mullen OC Florida
18. Indiana- Kevin Wilson OC Oklahoma
19. West Virginia- Dana Holgorsen OC Oklahoma State
20. Rutgers- Kyle Flood OL coach Rutgers
21. Pitt- Paul Chryst OC Wisconsin
22. Syracuse- Scott Shafer DC Syracuse

[East Coast Mustang]

Possibly true, but I think a lot of P5 jobs look for HC experience

About a 1/3 of P5 HCs had no previous HC experience

1.Florida- Will Muschamp DC/HCIW Texas
2. Vanderbilt- James Franklin OC Maryland
3. Louisville- Charlie Strong DC Florida
4. Clemson- Dabo Swinney WR coach Clemson
5. Florida State- Jimbo Fisher OC/HCIW Florida State
6. Oklahoma State- Mike Gundy OC Oklahoma State
7. Iowa State- Paul Rhoads DC Auburn
8. Oklahoma- Bob Stoops DC Florida
9. Texas Tech- Kliff Kingsbury OC Texas A&M
10. Nebraska- Bo Pelini DC LSU
11. Northwestern- Pat Fitzgerald LB coach Northwestern
12. Stanford- David Shaw OC Stanford
13. Oregon- Mark Helfrich OC Oregon
14. Washington- Steve Sarkisian OC USC
15. Georgia- Mark Richt OC Florida State
16. Kentucky- Mark Stoops DC Florida State
17. Mississippi State- Dan Mullen OC Florida
18. Indiana- Kevin Wilson OC Oklahoma
19. West Virginia- Dana Holgorsen OC Oklahoma State
20. Rutgers- Kyle Flood OL coach Rutgers
21. Pitt- Paul Chryst OC Wisconsin
22. Syracuse- Scott Shafer DC Syracuse

And about a third of those were promoted from within.

I'm not saying it doesn't happen, though.

[dr rc]

if you are talking about which job currently holds more prestige, Wake is probably ever so slightly ahead of SMU b/c of conference affiliation.

HOWEVER

If you ware talking about which job would make for the easier springboard to a bigger coaching job?

Its SMU by a country mile due to location and (ironically) conference affiliation.

At SMU he can use his Texas HS ties to build a beast in the AAC much the same way Briles did at Houston and Patterson did at TCU.

By the time he could be getting SMU on a roll, Sumlin will be about ready to leave A&M. This would open the door for Morris to coach at his alma mater. Staying in Dallas would help him keep up relationships with DFW based big money Ags who would go on a full court press to get him hired once Sumlin left. He won't be able to foster those relationships anywhere near as well at Wake.

Now some may balk at the idea of being a feeder to a huge state school with your HC but in the case of Chad Morris I think it would be well worth it and akin to how Houston was able to launch themselves forward with Briles.

Jim Grobe was making $2.4 million (with bonuses) at Wake. If SMU wants to attempt to move up with the big boys when the CFB world starts cutting off the fat for a super division it needs to pony up (sorry ) the big $$$ to hire a guy like Morris.

[ponyinNC]

if you are talking about which job currently holds more prestige, Wake is probably ever so slightly ahead of SMU b/c of conference affiliation.

HOWEVER

If you ware talking about which job would make for the easier springboard to a bigger coaching job?

Its SMU by a country mile due to location and (ironically) conference affiliation.

At SMU he can use his Texas HS ties to build a beast in the AAC much the same way Briles did at Houston and Patterson did at TCU.

By the time he could be getting SMU on a roll, Sumlin will be about ready to leave A&M. This would open the door for Morris to coach at his alma mater. Staying in Dallas would help him keep up relationships with DFW based big money Ags who would go on a full court press to get him hired once Sumlin left. He won't be able to foster those relationships anywhere near as well at Wake.

Now some may balk at the idea of being a feeder to a huge state school with your HC but in the case of Chad Morris I think it would be well worth it and akin to how Houston was able to launch themselves forward with Briles.

Jim Grobe was making $2.4 million (with bonuses) at Wake. If SMU wants to attempt to move up with the big boys when the CFB world starts cutting off the fat for a super division it needs to pony up (sorry ) the big $$$ to hire a guy like Morris.

yup

[Digetydog]

Thinking about this in light of the reported interest of Wake Forest in Chad Morris and that hail mary internet rumor that we are interested in him.

Being in the ACC, I think there's a national assumption that Wake is the better job. But neither is a destination job- and if you're looking to get the next rung up on the coaching ladder- where can you recruit easier and (hopefully) win faster- Wake or SMU? At Wake you've got to compete in a conference with FSU, Miami, Virginia Tech, Clemson, while at SMU you've got great facilities (relative to the rest of the conference) in a great state for recruiting and can (theoretically) compete with anyone in the American. The pay is about the same- I think Grobe was making $2.3M a year at Wake.

I always thought Morris would have better P5 offers after this season and we wouldn't have a prayer. But if Wake is the main competition for his services then we could be in better shape than we think, IF RGT, Hart, and the CoC see the light and cut ties with June this month. Chad Morris would be an absolutely amazing hire for us, but I'm not holding my breath.

On the way up the coaching ladder, I would rather be coach of a strong (or potentially strong) team in a weak conference than a weak (and likely to continue to be weak) program in a bigger conference.

Jobs that I would avoid like the plague:
1) Kentucky (and probably Ole Miss)
2) Wake Forest and Duke
3) Indiana
4) Kansas

In addition, I would avoid Uconn because there are no recruits in this state (or area). They are a bad program in a weak conference with little hope of improving. Even when there are gifted players, they are unlikely to get good coaching. For example, one of the local HS teams is in the state quarterfinals using the Single Wing offense. I don't think that there is a single team in this this state that could win district in any Texas division higher than 2A.

http://www.myrecordjournal.com/sports/l ... ybook.html

[East Coast Mustang]

Thinking about this in light of the reported interest of Wake Forest in Chad Morris and that hail mary internet rumor that we are interested in him.

Being in the ACC, I think there's a national assumption that Wake is the better job. But neither is a destination job- and if you're looking to get the next rung up on the coaching ladder- where can you recruit easier and (hopefully) win faster- Wake or SMU? At Wake you've got to compete in a conference with FSU, Miami, Virginia Tech, Clemson, while at SMU you've got great facilities (relative to the rest of the conference) in a great state for recruiting and can (theoretically) compete with anyone in the American. The pay is about the same- I think Grobe was making $2.3M a year at Wake.

I always thought Morris would have better P5 offers after this season and we wouldn't have a prayer. But if Wake is the main competition for his services then we could be in better shape than we think, IF RGT, Hart, and the CoC see the light and cut ties with June this month. Chad Morris would be an absolutely amazing hire for us, but I'm not holding my breath.

On the way up the coaching ladder, I would rather be coach of a strong (or potentially strong) team in a weak conference than a weak (and likely to continue to be weak) program in a bigger conference.

Jobs that I would avoid like the plague:
1) Kentucky (and probably Ole Miss)
2) Wake Forest and Duke
3) Indiana
4) Kansas

In addition, I would avoid Uconn because there are no recruits in this state (or area). They are a bad program in a weak conference with little hope of improving. Even when there are gifted players, they are unlikely to get good coaching. For example, one of the local HS teams is in the state quarterfinals using the Single Wing offense. I don't think that there is a single team in this this state that could win district in any Texas division higher than 2A.

http://www.myrecordjournal.com/sports/l ... ybook.html

Disagree about Ole Miss- it's the flagship institution in the middle of a recruiting hotbed. I would add Vandy, Washington State, Boston College, and probably Syracuse to your list right now. Of course, I also would have added Baylor three years ago.

[Bergermeister]

Thinking about this in light of the reported interest of Wake Forest in Chad Morris and that hail mary internet rumor that we are interested in him.

We're more in the Guy Morris category. But, dream on........

[ponyinNC]

Jobs that I would avoid like the plague:
1) Kentucky
2) Wake Forest and Duke
3) Indiana
4) Kansas

Funny thing about those schools you listed - they really only care about Basketball.

And in just about any given year, I'd pick 4 of those 5 teams against the entire field of 64.

[East Coast Mustang]

Jobs that I would avoid like the plague:
1) Kentucky
2) Wake Forest and Duke
3) Indiana
4) Kansas

Funny thing about those schools you listed - they really only care about Basketball.

And in just about any given year, I'd pick 4 of those 5 teams against the entire field of 64.

You could probably say the same about SMU at this point

[ponyinNC]

Thinking about this in light of the reported interest of Wake Forest in Chad Morris and that hail mary internet rumor that we are interested in him.

We're more in the Guy Morris category. But, dream on........

I guess that's better than being in the Guy Fieri category...