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mrydel wrote:Do you really think a scheme was set up to send 3 players to one spot? The option is difficult to defend. Often the MLB is on the QB and you have to be athletic enough to get there.

I guess I am the idiot here since I only played against it and you guys all know how Malone is coaching it so I will shut up.

Question for you... have you ever seen a scheme where the OLB is taking the QB and the MLB is playing back off the line and running to take the pitch? That is what we played... I haven't ever seen it before, but curious on how unique it is.

The only one I ever ran personally was with the MLB (me)on the QB and that was difficult as it was. Now if we were dropping the MLB deeper off the line I could see that but you need a fast MLB. My preference was always to have a corner take the pitch.

But I did like when we ( in my day) crashed the DE down on the QB to make him pitch as soon as possible so you could at least have players all converging on the pitch man. But that brings in reverses and passing that can stop that.


All that said, as Diggety said, it is much more sophisticated now so I am sure there are many techniques to try but it is just a hard offense to stop unless you can dominate the line and have the athletes to match up.

The Navy offense presents a host of problems. First, they use the chop blocks extensively and players quickly become very aware of their knees and the vulnerable positions they find them selves in on every play. Secondly, the defense takes a pounding at every position on every play to the side they are running. This really wears you out physically. Thirdly, every guy on D must almost be in a perfect position to stop any play. If anyone is out of position or slow to the hole the play moves down the field in chunks of yards. Lastly, the D scheme of one LB back 7 yards is fine if the LB has any speed. It was almost laughable watching the SMU LB unable to get to the Navy backs turning up the side lines. Bottom line is that this was probably the worst match up possible for our deficient D.

MLB usually has the dive, DE or OLB has QB, OLB or SS has the pitch. CB pins everyone inside of him. Depending on strong side or weak side.

We ran a 5-2 so we did not have the luxury of an OLB. Our MLB away from the play took the dive along with the NG and the MLB to the option side had the QB on most plays. As I said the DE would crash down on the QB at times and the CB would take the pitch. When the MLB took the QB the DE would have the pitch with support from the CB.

mrydel wrote:We ran a 5-2 so we did not have the luxury of an OLB. Our MLB away from the play took the dive along with the NG and the MLB to the option side had the QB on most plays. As I said the DE would crash down on the QB at times and the CB would take the pitch. When the MLB took the QB the DE would have the pitch with support from the CB.

Wow! 5-2! You don't see that anymore. That's a lot of gaps covered. I see why they spied you over the QB!

Come to think of it, maybe teams should start using a 5-2 verses the option. This QB wasn't that accurate a passer. If the TE releases upfield the safety has him, the CB has the WR man with his eyes backfield to confirm run and stay outside in on him. NE has A gap, DT has B gap and DE has C gap crashing on the QB.

JasonB wrote:

mrydel wrote:Do you really think a scheme was set up to send 3 players to one spot? The option is difficult to defend. Often the MLB is on the QB and you have to be athletic enough to get there.

I guess I am the idiot here since I only played against it and you guys all know how Malone is coaching it so I will shut up.

Question for you... have you ever seen a scheme where the OLB is taking the QB and the MLB is playing back off the line and running to take the pitch? That is what we played... I haven't ever seen it before, but curious on how unique it is.

How familiar are you with a 4-2-5 OSU type of defense? And I don't think you are on point in your analysis.

Navy is just a well-coached group of young men who play hard within the system for their team and they know their roles. Old June used to use the excuse of preparing for their option but it never explained why SMU had trouble with their defense and struggled to put points on the board! Navy has been good in recent years but have stepped it up a notch or two this year and can compete with anyone. SMU is in a rebuilding phase so they are gonna struggle against most teams this year. Those watching the program closely even 3-4 years ago could see this coming although June was still winning 5 or 6 games at the time.

Rebel10 wrote:

JasonB wrote:

mrydel wrote:Do you really think a scheme was set up to send 3 players to one spot? The option is difficult to defend. Often the MLB is on the QB and you have to be athletic enough to get there.

I guess I am the idiot here since I only played against it and you guys all know how Malone is coaching it so I will shut up.

Question for you... have you ever seen a scheme where the OLB is taking the QB and the MLB is playing back off the line and running to take the pitch? That is what we played... I haven't ever seen it before, but curious on how unique it is.

How familiar are you with a 4-2-5 OSU type of defense? And I don't think you are on point in your analysis.

Although our 4-2-5 is our base defense, why wouldn't we switch to a 4-3 (or 3-4) against a run-first team like Navy? I cannot think of a rational reason not to adjust our formation to deal with Navy's offense.

We do what we do!