Official SMU/Rice Thread

[hoopmanx]

actually not surprised we were flat coming off W in Tulsa, but Rice really exposed us tonight all the way around. I like our young players but I wouldn't be surprised based on past history and what I am seeing him doing with Cunningham, that Doh could lose a couple of these players mentally, if not to transfer. We need somebody with substance. Heck, i had Ben Braun envy watching tonight's game. I go back to what Dement was able to do with Sasser and Davis. We beat Texas Tech out of the gate and there was tons of optimism. I don't feel it now, just feels like Doh is stumbling and bumbling and suffocating these guys.

There are a few parents that I know of that are already mighty pissed

[Mustangs_Maroons]

I was hesitant to use the term HCIW because you're right, they rarely work. However, it completely changes the game to have internal guys who could take over. I don't want to anoint JP at this point, but at least he's a coach that will likely give SMU football options that basketball doesn't have.

I guess i don't understand how hiring an assistant coach that recruits houston pretty well, makes for HCIW material? We both know Orsini will aim for far larger than all of that, it's his thing. SMU hoops can always hire Russ Springman or Scott Spinelli whenever they want in hoops. Its not like profile assistants won't jump for the job. To be honest, SMU hoops could call Fran Fraschilla and he'd quit ESPN next week. It would a bad hire, but that's another story.

Who would you bring in, based on someone you actually think can turn turn this program around and would come here?

[shadowman]

Really a bummer of the game.

The team was just flat. Rice, however, does look pretty good, they have lost some close ones and are much better than their record. They played great D and worked [deleted] Offense to get good shots. Karzemi looks like a legitimate candidate for POY in C-USA.

Once again the youngsters just didn't do much. Manual looked good on some drives, but he was dreadful at the freetrhow line and had ballhogitis, when he got the ball, he put his head down to drive and was not going to give it up, had some TOs and missed some open looks.

Jones looked good on defense and has good energy, but he has zero offense, he has no clue how to score and has a brick shot from outside.

Cunningham and Smith just looked lost all game.

We really need to stick with Samp, Nyk, Giles, Pats, and Williams. We look the best when they are on the court.

I know some of you want the younger guys playing, but they just arent showing anything and if they are weak minded enough to pout or transfer because they are not getting minutes, then they don't belong here. You have to earn playing time, and none of the young ones has earned it. Bring them in to change the pace now and then, but we need to ride our upper classman, we didnt have our best team on the floor for much of the night tonight and it showed.

We lost all the benefit of beating Tulsa on the road by dumping to Rice at home, so back to the drawing board. I look forward to a good effort Saturday.

[Hoop Fan]

Really a bummer of the game.

The team was just flat. Rice, however, does look pretty good, they have lost some close ones and are much better than their record. They played great D and worked [deleted] Offense to get good shots. Karzemi looks like a legitimate candidate for POY in C-USA.

Once again the youngsters just didn't do much. Manual looked good on some drives, but he was dreadful at the freetrhow line and had ballhogitis, when he got the ball, he put his head down to drive and was not going to give it up, had some TOs and missed some open looks.

Jones looked good on defense and has good energy, but he has zero offense, he has no clue how to score and has a brick shot from outside.

Cunningham and Smith just looked lost all game.

We really need to stick with Samp, Nyk, Giles, Pats, and Williams. We look the best when they are on the court.

I know some of you want the younger guys playing, but they just arent showing anything and if they are weak minded enough to pout or transfer because they are not getting minutes, then they don't belong here. You have to earn playing time, and none of the young ones has earned it. Bring them in to change the pace now and then, but we need to ride our upper classman, we didnt have our best team on the floor for much of the night tonight and it showed.

We lost all the benefit of beating Tulsa on the road by dumping to Rice at home, so back to the drawing board. I look forward to a good effort Saturday.

Shadow, weren't we down 17-2 with our 'veterans' on the floor? That set the tone. It wasn't anything Manual did wrong. You wanna talk about AWOL? Pats was not ready to play tonight.

[hoopmanx]

Who cares? Its not the like AD actually use department funds for buyouts or hires? Let's just get a grassroots basketball group happening that helps in these sorts of decisions. Basketball needs to be handled by basketball people, not a fball ad w/a blank check.

Only reason I want Doh around next year is so we don't lose the '12 class. That's it. At that point, an X & O's coach can win w/what's on campus. Next coach does not get to gut the program the way Orsini let Doh. You can't be given a 3 year no performance expectation, b/c you've convinced a gullible AD you need 13 new kids, your kids. Doh was given free reign to recruit as many numbers as he wanted, and could move on as many as he wanted. It was turmoil, and now its stable, its just slow, boring and unspectacular.

It's not the buy-out that concerns me. It's the commitment to paying a better coach more money than SMU has to pay (today). The BE (and the $) could still all come crumbling down.

With the LOI's signed, what difference does it make? It's not like they won't transfer after playing one year. They're either sold on SMU or they aren't. Having Doh greet them on their first day doesn't mean anything.

You know as well as I do, that if there's a coaching change, the '12 kids will ask out of their LOIs and we'll get PR mangled if we don't let them out. I admittedly could care less about realignment, so know idea if the Big East comes crumbling down or not. You are right, I'd like to know what we're willing to pay, Big East or no Big East, for a new head coach. Most around here always had a strange perception of the Doh deal. He hasn't delivered, but he's not getting the kings ransom many seem to believe. He's paid ok, but the position needs a huge raise

[shadowman]

I do agree the veterans started out flat and that put us in the hole.

But we pretty much abandoned Williams and Pats for the rest of the game. I do like Manual at the 2, he has good driving ability and can make things happen. I certainly agree bringin him in before Clink.

Pats plays good defense and can be a good shooter, he is just in a bit of a funk. I have no problem with all the youngsters getting massive minutes today, I just didnt see it helping.

[Mitch McConnell]

We're overthinking this. Calm down.

[hoopmanx]

Really a bummer of the game.

The team was just flat. Rice, however, does look pretty good, they have lost some close ones and are much better than their record. They played great D and worked [deleted] Offense to get good shots. Karzemi looks like a legitimate candidate for POY in C-USA.

Once again the youngsters just didn't do much. Manual looked good on some drives, but he was dreadful at the freetrhow line and had ballhogitis, when he got the ball, he put his head down to drive and was not going to give it up, had some TOs and missed some open looks.

Jones looked good on defense and has good energy, but he has zero offense, he has no clue how to score and has a brick shot from outside.

Cunningham and Smith just looked lost all game.

We really need to stick with Samp, Nyk, Giles, Pats, and Williams. We look the best when they are on the court.

I know some of you want the younger guys playing, but they just arent showing anything and if they are weak minded enough to pout or transfer because they are not getting minutes, then they don't belong here. You have to earn playing time, and none of the young ones has earned it. Bring them in to change the pace now and then, but we need to ride our upper classman, we didnt have our best team on the floor for much of the night tonight and it showed.

We lost all the benefit of beating Tulsa on the road by dumping to Rice at home, so back to the drawing board. I look forward to a good effort Saturday.

I thought Manuel was actually pretty good tonight. Can't hit a FT to save his life, but the only guy on the whole roster to actually put his head down absorb contact and get to the hole. So tired of watching the, reverse pivot and just play hand-off 5 ft outside the 3pt line. Manuel was a breath of fresh air in that way, until the FT line.

Also, Shawne Williams is a heist. He has slow feet so can't play 3, but isn't a PF. He takes a lot of face up jumpers and doesn't hit many.

Of the frosh, Cannen & Jalen are the two that leave me wondering. Cannen is soft by rep, but he's even softer than I'd imagined. Jalen, like Shawne, is a tweener w/o the size to be a big, or the wing skill to be a perimeter player.

[hoopmanx]

I was hesitant to use the term HCIW because you're right, they rarely work. However, it completely changes the game to have internal guys who could take over. I don't want to anoint JP at this point, but at least he's a coach that will likely give SMU football options that basketball doesn't have.

I guess i don't understand how hiring an assistant coach that recruits houston pretty well, makes for HCIW material? We both know Orsini will aim for far larger than all of that, it's his thing. SMU hoops can always hire Russ Springman or Scott Spinelli whenever they want in hoops. Its not like profile assistants won't jump for the job. To be honest, SMU hoops could call Fran Fraschilla and he'd quit ESPN next week. It would a bad hire, but that's another story.

I just don't see JP as merely a recruiting coach. Whether SO goes "bigger" would remain to be seen. Time will tell. My point was that football has options (along with perhaps Mason), basketball not so much. It's because of the said options I'm willing to let the JJ experiement play out, where Doh needs to go when SMU can afford it.

He always goes bigger just look at his revenue hires, Doh & JJ. Now that he's Big East, he isn't hiring an assistant. Tom Mason wouldn't even get an interview I'd be willing to bet. I'm just saying that If we need new coaches, we're going to go for something. That's not to say its the better option, but Orsini hiring any assistant is unlikely

[hoopmanx]

Shocking. I just don't even know where to begin...

Just a disgusting, putrid display, that Doh should be flogged with

Hoopmanx, oh sure - what about Tulsa? This TALENTED GROUP you have been talking about should just SHOW UP and they win by 20. Common Hoopmanx, face up to it, no talent.

no coaching

[hoopmanx]

One kid who can slash on the whole team, and that's Manuel. He get's fouled and can't shoot FTs.

hoopmanx, you are kidding right? Does a slasher make a player? And Manuel/ you need to coaching theory of college basketball 030 and then we will allow you to come back on this board.

A team needs slashers. Getting the ball to the rim is priority one in most any motion O.

[hoopmanx]

He always goes bigger just look at his revenue hires, Doh & JJ. Now that he's Big East, he isn't hiring an assistant. Tom Mason wouldn't even get an interview I'd be willing to bet. I'm just saying that If we need new coaches, we're going to go for something. That's not to say its the better option, but Orsini hiring any assistant is unlikely

I'm just going off certain comments stating this hire has SO's fingerprints all over it. It's not just a June hire...those commenting could be wrong, but they know better than me. If so, this was a strategic hire for long-term options.

I gotcha, but Orsini did the same thing w/hoops and Mangino. He should have been Air Force's coach, coached w/the Nuggets, and now runs our O & D. If we were actually committed to the princeton, we'd hire him and let him hire a staff. As is, we have a hoops head coach that's buying all the ingredients for the chef, who doesn't even see the players. Mangino essentially runs the team and has no say over parts. Furthermore, Doh doesn't recruit to system, he's always been a best available recruiter.

I was talking to a coach about that very thing a few months back, and he told me it's the most backwards thing he's seen anywhere. FWIW, Orsini hiring assistant coaches is seen as a very negative thing in the industry, not a good thing.

[GiddyUp]

really not much to comment on. They kicked our @ss in almost every area. Very bad matchup for SMU. No way we beat them at their place. Terrible start, terrible shooting.

[fifty]

Biorhythms were not calibrated

[SMUer]

How is Rice...RICE...bigger, faster, stronger than us? That's what was surprising to me. There is something wrong prep-wise when we are being out-athleted by Rice players. Geez!