Tx Tech / Okie State / Baylor / Notre Dame-Playing in Dallas

Nacho · Post by **Nacho** » Fri May 04, 2007 1:30 pm

How did you like that whooping UT put on you?

SMUtrojanFAN · Post by **SMUtrojanFAN** » Fri May 04, 2007 1:36 pm

If there's anything I do know, it's how to have a sense of humor. But I'm gonna have to go with Matt Leinart on that one. Play again and we have a different result. But it's all good - Vince Young did a great job. I'd rather lose to Texas than UCLgAy (oh wait, ouch...)

mrydel · Post by **mrydel** » Fri May 04, 2007 1:44 pm

As a sad reminder as to how far we have fallen, I was perusing the Arkansas message board and they are talking about the Tech/OSU in Dallas thing also. They are saying that Tech/OSU is falling through, and maybe Arkansas should consider an annual game in Dallas. Then they list all of the teams they could play and SMU is not among any of them. And trust me, Arkansas does not pride itself on hard OOC schedules. They are leaning towards A&M or Tech. This was the only "now" BCS school that we were able to establish any kind of winning record against in the past several years. Granted, the gap has widened, but you would think they would at least mention us unless they are afraid of losing to us again.

Nacho · Post by **Nacho** » Fri May 04, 2007 1:49 pm

A&M will not play a home game here. They might play an away game. TT will do anything.

Nacho · Post by **Nacho** » Fri May 04, 2007 1:51 pm

In 2037 people will look back on football records and say, Oh that was 30 years ago. Doesn't count. Not a vaild argument when discussing sports to discount the past.

SMUtrojanFAN · Post by **SMUtrojanFAN** » Fri May 04, 2007 2:22 pm

Nacho wrote:In 2037 people will look back on football records and say, Oh that was 30 years ago. Doesn't count. Not a vaild argument when discussing sports to discount the past.

Dude, I didn't say that. Go back and re-read this thread. I don't have time to explain it to you.

Nacho · Post by **Nacho** » Fri May 04, 2007 2:53 pm

That's exactly what you implied, only you said the 1930s. Dont' make me bring up your bowl loss to TCU in 1998.

MustangStealth · Post by **MustangStealth** » Fri May 04, 2007 4:48 pm

Nacho wrote:Theis is the '07 ND football schedule:

GT
Penn St
Michigan
Michigan St
Purdue
UCLA
BC
USC
Navy
Air Force
Duke
Stanford

A typical BCS schedule.

Baylor would replace one of the non-BCS schools.

There are only 2 non-BCS schools, and they are prestigious service academies with long histories of playing Notre Dame. Baylor will probably replace Duke or Standford, the generic BCS patsy. ND has no reason to play us when a school like Baylor would be more than happy to play them 200 miles from home.

ponydawg wrote:Guessing if/once the games get going Texas Tech, Okie State, and Baylor won't want to play us anymore. Shame, really wanted to play Baylor every year.

That's the same feeling I had. So long, home and home with Tech or Ok. St.

SMUtrojanFAN · Post by **SMUtrojanFAN** » Fri May 04, 2007 4:57 pm

Well if you bring up any pre-Pete Carroll recent history it's most likely not gonna be in the SC fan's favor. That is, unless you go back to the 80s or early-mid 90s or something. The only point I was trying to make is that ND (in the 2000's) has been generally overrated. I believe it is due to the simple fact that they are the all-mighty Notre Dame football program. Maybe you disagree, but whatever. USC has not lost to ND in 5 years, and they have won 7 out of 10 in the past 10 years. Those numbers speak a whole lot more to me than an overall win-loss ratio from the entire series. Notre Dame has been really great at times in the past 100 years. So what? What does that say about right now?

You could say the same thing about SMU's FB program...ok, well, sort of...

EastStang · Post by **EastStang** » Sat May 05, 2007 11:14 am

I think Notre Dame has suffered to a degree by the confluence of three things: (1) Academic standards. Like SMU they have them and they don't take many academic risks on players. (2) The collapse of their feeder system. The CYO's have to a degree been replaced by AAU groups and others and Catholic high schools don't automatically steer their best players to ND. Before that the priests were their biggest recruiters. Also, the reduction of Catholic membership in the inner cities has not helped matters. (3) National recruiting data. In the past, the lineman who played for some Catholic school in Pennsylvania might have gotten a letter from ND, Pitt and Penn State, now he gets letters from 119 schools. Thus, he finds that he might get to go to UT or USC instead of the rust belt. These three things have in varying degrees handicapped the traditional Notre Dame recruiting. I think Weis has addressed numbers 2 and 3 to some degree. But he can't change problem number 1 very easily, just like Bennett can't.

CalallenStang · Post by **CalallenStang** » Sat May 05, 2007 8:33 pm

EastStang wrote:Before that the priests were their biggest recruiters.

Woody Hayes would disagree. After all, he was the self-professed "best recruiter Notre Dame ever had." :lol:

davidsmu94 · Post by **davidsmu94** » Sat May 05, 2007 9:13 pm

Okay I'm officially calling "rabbit hole" on this thread

NavyCrimson · Post by **NavyCrimson** » Sat May 05, 2007 10:59 pm

Frankly, why would any bcs-bs team play a non-bcs-bs team?

That was the whole point in putting this mythical super conference together in the first place. You'll see this disparity become bigger & bigger as long as this 'cartel' stays around. That was the whole point guys! GET USED TO IT!!!

Why - because no one is willing to fight it but merely give in.

Stallion · Post by **Stallion** » Sun May 06, 2007 3:06 am

Home games-full house. That's the formula. All BCS teams play these games. Each game can be worth millions of dollars and it doesn't matter who they play if its a full house. That's why most play 7 even 8 home games.

westexSMU · Post by **westexSMU** » Sun May 06, 2007 2:12 pm

[quote="NavyCrimson"]Frankly, why would any bcs-bs team play a non-bcs-bs team?
.[/quote]...........Obvious, easy win and large crowd at home. Texas will host Arkansas State first game this year (a team SMU beat 55-9 last year)