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I find it very hypocritical for people to belittle Belichick for his actions and praise Knight for his. Somehow video taping vs. physical abuse just do not rank the same with me as it does with some.

That's physical "abuse", not physical abuse. It wasn't that bad. Inappropriate, but not THAT big of a deal.

So you think it was only once!

Anyway, my statement was meant to be more pro Belichick than anti Knight.

mrydel wrote:So you think it was only once!

Anyway, my statement was meant to be more pro Belichick than anti Knight.

We disagree, and we'll leave it at that. Knight may have been a lot of things, but he wasn't a cheater.

Makes one wonder, if a professor choked his students and threw chairs across the classroom but all his students got As, would he be professor of the year?

If one choked his wife and threw her chair across the den but all his kids graduated from school, would he be the model citizen and family man?

Knight is a superior coach but the rest of his character doesn't seem very appealing to me. Would I want my daughter to date/marry him? Not no but HELL NO!

Would I be all warm and fuzzy if he choked my son? NO

If I were a player and he choked me would I feel a burst of pride? NO and my fury would be one hard thing to contain.

He coached basketball and had success. After that, he was (and is) a contemptible human. No more, no less.

George S. Patton wrote:

mrydel wrote:So you think it was only once!

Anyway, my statement was meant to be more pro Belichick than anti Knight.

We disagree, and we'll leave it at that. Knight may have been a lot of things, but he wasn't a cheater.

When it comes to coaches, there are only two types. Those that cheat and those that do not get caught.

ponyte wrote:Makes one wonder, if a professor choked his students and threw chairs across the classroom but all his students got As, would he be professor of the year?

If one choked his wife and threw her chair across the den but all his kids graduated from school, would he be the model citizen and family man?

Knight is a superior coach but the rest of his character doesn't seem very appealing to me. Would I want my daughter to date/marry him? Not no but HELL NO!

Would I be all warm and fuzzy if he choked my son? NO

If I were a player and he choked me would I feel a burst of pride? NO and my fury would be one hard thing to contain.

He coached basketball and had success. After that, he was (and is) a contemptible human. No more, no less.

I don't know if Landon Turner would agree with that assesement or Coach K. And I think we know what an absolutely genuine great person Nolan Richardson was before he got to Arkansas. How many affairs did Nolan have before and during Arkansas. Did Todd Day ever get his degree? Lee Mayberry? Oliver Miller? Were they prepared for after basketball? Think Nolan was really concerned about that?

I think Richardson makes Knight look like a saint. How 'bout Nolan walking off the court in Austin in 1989 or 1990.

We're going to to go round and round on this. And neither will change his position.

I'm not saying that everything Knight has done is good, or that everyone could do well with him as a coach but we're talking about men here, not little boys. They'll live. I'm not saying this was the case with any of the Knight incidents, but sometimes somebody needs an extreme event to get their attention and get their head on straight.

I had a junior high teacher that would on occasion throw objects at students - I'm talking text books and metal objects that could do some damage if you weren't ready to jump, litterally, out of the way. She'd probably get sued and fired if she were around these days. She was also one of the most positive influances on my life as I needed the wake-up call. Was she a bad person?

George S. Patton wrote:

ponyte wrote:Makes one wonder, if a professor choked his students and threw chairs across the classroom but all his students got As, would he be professor of the year?

If one choked his wife and threw her chair across the den but all his kids graduated from school, would he be the model citizen and family man?

Knight is a superior coach but the rest of his character doesn't seem very appealing to me. Would I want my daughter to date/marry him? Not no but HELL NO!

Would I be all warm and fuzzy if he choked my son? NO

If I were a player and he choked me would I feel a burst of pride? NO and my fury would be one hard thing to contain.

He coached basketball and had success. After that, he was (and is) a contemptible human. No more, no less.

I don't know if Landon Turner would agree with that assesement or Coach K. And I think we know what an absolutely genuine great person Nolan Richardson was before he got to Arkansas. How many affairs did Nolan have before and during Arkansas. Did Todd Day ever get his degree? Lee Mayberry? Oliver Miller? Were they prepared for after basketball? Think Nolan was really concerned about that?

I think Richardson makes Knight look like a saint. How 'bout Nolan walking off the court in Austin in 1989 or 1990.

We're going to to go round and round on this. And neither will change his position.

Oh no. You have convinced me that Nolan is just as bad as Knight. Thanks for the enlightenment.

George S. Patton wrote:But for me, it is a sad day in college basketball when a legend like this leaves. Just like when Dean Smith left.

Please don't compare Knight to guys like Dean Smith. Smith actually made a positive difference in college basketball. He was one of the first coaches to recruit black players in a major conference, because, as he put it "it was the right thing to do". Whatever your opinion may be of Knight, it is an absolute fact that he is not even in the same league as Dean Smith.

Big Hoss wrote:

George S. Patton wrote:But for me, it is a sad day in college basketball when a legend like this leaves. Just like when Dean Smith left.

Please don't compare Knight to guys like Dean Smith. Smith actually made a positive difference in college basketball. He was one of the first coaches to recruit black players in a major conference, because, as he put it "it was the right thing to do". Whatever your opinion may be of Knight, it is an absolute fact that he is not even in the same league as Dean Smith.

That's your opinion of Dean Smith. And in my opinion both Knight and Smith are in the same league.

ponyte wrote:

George S. Patton wrote:

ponyte wrote:Makes one wonder, if a professor choked his students and threw chairs across the classroom but all his students got As, would he be professor of the year?

If one choked his wife and threw her chair across the den but all his kids graduated from school, would he be the model citizen and family man?

Knight is a superior coach but the rest of his character doesn't seem very appealing to me. Would I want my daughter to date/marry him? Not no but HELL NO!

Would I be all warm and fuzzy if he choked my son? NO

If I were a player and he choked me would I feel a burst of pride? NO and my fury would be one hard thing to contain.

He coached basketball and had success. After that, he was (and is) a contemptible human. No more, no less.

I don't know if Landon Turner would agree with that assesement or Coach K. And I think we know what an absolutely genuine great person Nolan Richardson was before he got to Arkansas. How many affairs did Nolan have before and during Arkansas. Did Todd Day ever get his degree? Lee Mayberry? Oliver Miller? Were they prepared for after basketball? Think Nolan was really concerned about that?

I think Richardson makes Knight look like a saint. How 'bout Nolan walking off the court in Austin in 1989 or 1990.

We're going to to go round and round on this. And neither will change his position.

Oh no. You have convinced me that Nolan is just as bad as Knight. Thanks for the enlightenment.

You've seen only what you want to see.

George S. Patton wrote:

Big Hoss wrote:

George S. Patton wrote:But for me, it is a sad day in college basketball when a legend like this leaves. Just like when Dean Smith left.

Please don't compare Knight to guys like Dean Smith. Smith actually made a positive difference in college basketball. He was one of the first coaches to recruit black players in a major conference, because, as he put it "it was the right thing to do". Whatever your opinion may be of Knight, it is an absolute fact that he is not even in the same league as Dean Smith.

That's your opinion of Dean Smith. And in my opinion both Knight and Smith are in the same league.

I think you need to do a little more research, my friend.

I get it now. Sorry that I have encroached on others delusions. I didn't mean to infer that Knight choking his players meant that all people who bully and demean people (I am thinking of a person that would slap a soldier in a field hospital that was suffering from malaria) have character flaws. Obviously, it is OK to slap people around if the desired results are achieved. But then, I only see what I want to see. Man, I feel like Stallion now!

Stallion wrote:Great Coach + Mediocre Recruiting= Mediocre College Coach

Do you realize how ridiculous that sounds?

So you're saying he won 902 games and three national championships with mediocre players .... and he's a mediocre coach?

He might be a great-A a-hole, but he is one of the greatest coaches in the history of sports.

I wouldn't want my child to play for him, and I wouldn't want to go hunting with him, and I wouldn't want to call a foul on him .... but he's an absolutely brilliant coach.

Will be interesting to see the reaction when his son falls on his face.