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Posted: Fri Jun 20, 2008 3:09 pm
by crazy horse
deepellumfrog wrote:crazy horse wrote:Stiffer competition?
Some of TCUs best years in the modern era have been playing against MWC competition. In fact the best year (2005 - #14 - 11-1) TCU went through that league like a hot knife through butter and their only loss was to a team that only managed a (5-6) record playing against CUSA competition. Now which team was that again?
There are some decent teams in the MWC, but when you get to UNLV, San Diego, Wyoming, Colorado St - those are some really bad teams, unless you have to travel to BFE and play them in the clouds.
I'm happy in CUSA and have no desire for SMU to be in a western-oriented league again - too many dank airport lounges out west.
How many teams again has CUSA had in the top 25 since SMU joined? 0, Nada, Zilch.
We had a down year and we beat the 1 CUSA team on our schedule, and one at a bowl game in their home town.
And while I like the invitation to banter, I probably wouldn't have posted this.
Final Rankings of top MWC teams versus CUSA opponents
2007 - BYU 11-2 #14 AP & USA - BYU 47 - Tulsa 55
2006 - BYU 11-2 #16 AP & #15 USA - BYU 49 - Tulsa 24
2005 - TCU 11-1 #11 AP & #9 USA - TCU 10 - SMU 21
Head to Head
2005
SMU 21 TCU 10
UTEP 21 UNM 13
2006
UTEP 34 SDSU 27
UNM 26 UTEP 13
BYU 49 Tulsa 24
UTAH 25 Tulsa 13 (Armed Forces Bowl)
2007
Tulsa 55 BYU 47
TCU 21 SMU 7
TCU 20 Houston 13 (Texas Bowl)
UTEP 10 UNM 6
Houston 38 Colorado St 27
CUSA 6 - MWC 5
The two conferences look pretty darn close to me.
Posted: Fri Jun 20, 2008 3:16 pm
by Mr Froggiewoggie
Water Pony wrote:The issue is not whether MWC is better or not than CUSA. Than will vary year to year.
Do you mean, "Once in a blue moon"?
Yeah CUSA is closer to D/FW, but other than that, I can't think of a
single measure by which it's superior to MWC. Wait-- it has better bowl tie-ins.
(But worse bowl teams!)
Posted: Fri Jun 20, 2008 3:37 pm
by SMU Hockey 2010
Not to be redundant, but the most statistically significant criterion for judging the two conferences head-to-head has been largely ignored, and I feel like this argument has gone on needlessly longer than it should. This factor affects student life, alumni support, recruiting, and even TV ratings.
To reiterate;
SMU Hockey 2010 wrote:C-USA girls > MWC girls.
Posted: Fri Jun 20, 2008 5:16 pm
by Water Pony
Mr Froggiewoggie wrote:Water Pony wrote:The issue is not whether MWC is better or not than CUSA. Than will vary year to year.
Do you mean, "Once in a blue moon"?
Yeah CUSA is closer to D/FW, but other than that, I can't think of a
single measure by which it's superior to MWC. Wait-- it has better bowl tie-ins.
(But worse bowl teams!)
Your reply sounds like "oh yeah, my Dad's bigger you" No comment on 95% my post saying MWC is a bad choice for TCU and its fans, alums, student-athletes, and parents for all sports? You do have an Athletic Department and supporters, and not just a FB team?
Posted: Fri Jun 20, 2008 6:26 pm
by Mr Froggiewoggie
Water Pony wrote:Your reply sounds like "oh yeah, my Dad's bigger you" No comment on 95% my post saying MWC is a bad choice for TCU and its fans, alums, student-athletes, and parents for all sports? You do have an Athletic Department and supporters, and not just a FB team?
dude-- it's our Athletic department and supporters that prefer the MWC to other alternatives.
Posted: Fri Jun 20, 2008 9:12 pm
by Water Pony
Mr Froggiewoggie wrote:Water Pony wrote:Your reply sounds like "oh yeah, my Dad's bigger you" No comment on 95% my post saying MWC is a bad choice for TCU and its fans, alums, student-athletes, and parents for all sports? You do have an Athletic Department and supporters, and not just a FB team?
dude-- it's our Athletic department and supporters that prefer the MWC to other alternatives.
And the regret will come, especially if you experience .500 seasons or less. Except for some FB possibilities, the rest of the athletic teams, parents, fans, etc. pay a big penalty.
At some point, the question will be raised by many, "and, why did we do this? MWC or CUSA will never get in the BCS. Oh yeah, get away from SMU."
Hubris
Posted: Sat Jun 21, 2008 12:00 am
by Mr Froggiewoggie
Water Pony wrote:And the regret will come, especially if you experience .500 seasons or less. Except for some FB possibilities, the rest of the athletic teams, parents, fans, etc. pay a big penalty.
At some point, the question will be raised by many, "and, why did we do this? MWC or CUSA will never get in the BCS. Oh yeah, get away from SMU."
Hubris
well, we're three years in, and I see zero sign of your prophecy coming true.
Maybe this will be a .500 year for the Frogs...
...nah.
Posted: Sat Jun 21, 2008 5:34 pm
by Water Pony
Don't take this personal, but time is not on your side. Nor on the side of your fans, parents and student-athletics. But the airlines like you.
Still, it will be fun winning the MWC FB championship on occasion.
Posted: Sat Jun 21, 2008 5:43 pm
by mathman
I would think the MWC has the same problems as these guys.
http://wvgazette.com/Sports/WVU/200806190823
Posted: Sat Jun 21, 2008 10:39 pm
by Mr Froggiewoggie
Water Pony wrote:Don't take this personal, but time is not on your side. Nor on the side of your fans, parents and student-athletics. But the airlines like you.
What undercurrents of discontent do you see at TCU about playing in the MWC? If wishing made it so, maybe you'd find some; but as presently aligned, the MWC is the best non-BCS conference to be in, and we're happy to be there. I've never heard a peep otherwise.
Posted: Sat Jun 21, 2008 10:43 pm
by J.T.supporta
Mr Froggiewoggie wrote:Water Pony wrote:Don't take this personal, but time is not on your side. Nor on the side of your fans, parents and student-athletics. But the airlines like you.
What undercurrents of discontent do you see at TCU about playing in the MWC? If wishing made it so, maybe you'd find some; but as presently aligned, the MWC is the best non-BCS conference to be in, and we're happy to be there. I've never heard a peep otherwise.
YOU MUST BE REALLY BORED. more than half of your posts have occurred in this thread. who gives a damn about what conference is better. MVC and CUSA arent that good. WAC is the BEST nonBCS school and until one school from MVC/CUSA makes the bcs, no one can brag about which conference is better
Posted: Sat Jun 21, 2008 11:35 pm
by RGV Pony
Mr Froggiewoggie wrote:Water Pony wrote:Don't take this personal, but time is not on your side. Nor on the side of your fans, parents and student-athletics. But the airlines like you.
What undercurrents of discontent do you see at TCU about playing in the MWC? If wishing made it so, maybe you'd find some; but as presently aligned, the MWC is the best non-BCS conference to be in, and we're happy to be there. I've never heard a peep otherwise.
I guess, but hasn't the WAC really been a better football conference pretty much since TCU went to the MWC? How would a round robin between the top three in each league pan out? Boise State, Fresno State, Hawaii...take the amalgamate of their last three years and put it against Utah, TCU and...BYU/UNM/AFA?
Posted: Sun Jun 22, 2008 12:22 am
by Garret
RGV Pony wrote:I guess, but hasn't the WAC really been a better football conference pretty much since TCU went to the MWC? How would a round robin between the top three in each league pan out? Boise State, Fresno State, Hawaii...take the amalgamate of their last three years and put it against Utah, TCU and...BYU/UNM/AFA?
Just looking at Hawaii's record:
2007: 1-0 vs. MWC, 1-0 vs. Pac-10
2006: 1-0 vs. MWC, 1-1 vs. Pac-10, 1-0 vs. Big 10
2005: 1-0 vs. MWC, 0-1 vs. Pac-10 (USC)
Last 3 years: 3-0 vs. MWC, 2-2 vs. Pac-10, no games vs. C-USA
Posted: Sun Jun 22, 2008 12:43 am
by J.T.supporta
Garret wrote:RGV Pony wrote:I guess, but hasn't the WAC really been a better football conference pretty much since TCU went to the MWC? How would a round robin between the top three in each league pan out? Boise State, Fresno State, Hawaii...take the amalgamate of their last three years and put it against Utah, TCU and...BYU/UNM/AFA?
Just looking at Hawaii's record:
2007: 1-0 vs. MWC, 1-0 vs. Pac-10
2006: 1-0 vs. MWC, 1-1 vs. Pac-10, 1-0 vs. Big 10
2005: 1-0 vs. MWC, 0-1 vs. Pac-10 (USC)
Last 3 years: 3-0 vs. MWC, 2-2 vs. Pac-10, no games vs. C-USA
Like I said, WAC is byfar the better non BCS conference. both MWC and CUSA should be aiming to be better than them
Posted: Sun Jun 22, 2008 3:04 am
by Garret
J.T.supporta wrote:Like I said, WAC is byfar the better non BCS conference. both MWC and CUSA should be aiming to be better than them
I agree with you that the top of the WAC has been better than the top of the MWC and C-USA. However, as a Hawaii fan I hate that Utah State, Idaho, NMSU, La Tech, etc. drag down the strength of schedule for the conference teams. That almost cost Hawaii dearly in the BCS standings last season.