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Posted: Sun Nov 09, 2008 1:17 am
by Big Hoss
J.T.supporta wrote:isnt every year a rebuilding year for us?
Question for you: when is a year just a "building" year vs. a "rebuilding" year, given that we haven't "built" anything in quite a while?
Posted: Sun Nov 09, 2008 1:28 am
by J.T.supporta
Big Hoss wrote:J.T.supporta wrote:isnt every year a rebuilding year for us?
Question for you: when is a year just a "building" year vs. a "rebuilding" year, given that we haven't "built" anything in quite a while?
great question. every year is a building year for SMU...i guess that would be the answer
Posted: Sun Nov 09, 2008 1:31 am
by Big Hoss
J.T.supporta wrote:Big Hoss wrote:J.T.supporta wrote:isnt every year a rebuilding year for us?
Question for you: when is a year just a "building" year vs. a "rebuilding" year, given that we haven't "built" anything in quite a while?
great question. every year is a building year for SMU...i guess that would be the answer
Figured it was worth a laugh to ask it, since I am now going to drink myself to sleep.
Posted: Sun Nov 09, 2008 1:34 am
by J.T.supporta
Big Hoss wrote:J.T.supporta wrote:Big Hoss wrote:J.T.supporta wrote:isnt every year a rebuilding year for us?
Question for you: when is a year just a "building" year vs. a "rebuilding" year, given that we haven't "built" anything in quite a while?
great question. every year is a building year for SMU...i guess that would be the answer
Figured it was worth a laugh to ask it, since I am now going to drink myself to sleep.
best wishes to ya on that daunting task. :lol:
Posted: Sun Nov 09, 2008 8:27 am
by LakeHighlandsPony
I just thought a big name coach might win 1 game that we were not expected to win and give us some recruiting momentum.
Posted: Sun Nov 09, 2008 2:52 pm
by Longtime
If June Jones were truly a "big name" coach, SMU couldn't have hired him. He's a well-known name, but I wouldn't put him in the category of a Bob Stoops or Pete Carroll.
There wasn't exactly a long line of schools trying to woo him, even after he got Hawaii into the Sugar Bowl.
Of course, the general consensus was probably that Jones would never leave Hawaii. And most major programs were probably scared off by Jones' quirkiness, much like Mike Leach, who also has never gotten a serious offer to leave Lubbock (although he should after this season).
Posted: Sun Nov 09, 2008 2:53 pm
by J.T.supporta
i wish we had PJ
Posted: Sun Nov 09, 2008 6:42 pm
by PoconoPony
Hoop Fan wrote:as successful as jj was at hawaii, he now lacks one big thing that he grabbed in his first season at hawaii: momentum. where is his momentum going to come from here after this debacle season? We need to try to win next year and that means 7-8 jucos need to be signed in december. will jj/smu do it?
The Tulsa game was the momentum game that got away. If we win that game, get over the mental hang ups, gain some confidence and respect then we win at least 5 games and roll into next season.
Posted: Sun Nov 09, 2008 8:54 pm
by Pony Soup
gostangs wrote:No sir - that is old school - if you play the run and shoot you establish the pass and then run the ball - especially against Memphis for gosh sakes -
I just want to know how they get the gun past the metal detectors at the airport for away games...oh wait, we are 0 for the season on the road
Posted: Sun Nov 09, 2008 11:20 pm
by MUSTANG'76
we certainly got out coached in the memphis game. We should have showed an 8 man front and made memphis throw the football. instead we played a base defense and allowed memphis to run it down our throat in the first two series. Regardless our defense played well enough to keep us in the game. Had we made a few more plays in the fourth quarter we are in a position to win. Memphis was playing with three dlineman and one linebacker in the fourth quarter. On third and three at Memphis 20 yard line, we should have kept going with Mckinney until they stopped him or changed their d makeup.
Posted: Sun Nov 09, 2008 11:32 pm
by gostangs
Could not agree more. We had them softened up - the last several runs go for 7 yds or more, and thats the point at which we decide to start throwing again? third and three in two down territory, with the game on the line at home, against a poor three man front? - with our back up qb who throws side arm?
But at the start of the game we dont start thowing with our 1st string QB until we spot them 14 points?
Now I'm mad all over again!!
I know the coaching staff will look at the film and see they collectively had a bad game. Sometimes you just have an off game- it happens. I have been happy with the new staff in general - but this one was very disappointing since I think for the first time all year we had equal or better personnel and still lost. That should not happen with a good staff - especially at home.
They can redeem themselves by coaching their way into a win when the other team has better personnel - its about time dont you think?
Posted: Mon Nov 10, 2008 9:52 am
by papawasamustang
MUSTANG'76 wrote:we certainly got out coached in the memphis game. We should have showed an 8 man front and made memphis throw the football. instead we played a base defense and allowed memphis to run it down our throat in the first two series. Regardless our defense played well enough to keep us in the game. Had we made a few more plays in the fourth quarter we are in a position to win. Memphis was playing with three dlineman and one linebacker in the fourth quarter. On third and three at Memphis 20 yard line, we should have kept going with Mckinney until they stopped him or changed their d makeup.
I really like your logic using an 8 man front but the bottom line is that wouldn't work for this D unit because there are just NO play makers @ all on this squad. Same story for 2 years. The D can't make the big play or stop when they need to. If they could this team would have @ least 4 wins in conference play this year & last. I really don't see anyone on D that should be starting on a decent D1 football team.
When it comes to sports I've never seen so much unachieving in all my life. Not winning a single game in weak [deleted] Conference USA in 2 years is pitiful.
Posted: Mon Nov 10, 2008 10:01 am
by OC Mustang
SMU ran the ball early because it saw an opportunity to do so (weak Memphis DE on that side, injury on that side, or somesuch). OR they ran it because they were trying to set up a play to the opposite side (Robinson was lined up on the opposite side) such that a successful run or two to the right would force the DB facing Robinson to turn his hips in instead of square with Aldrick. Unfortunately, the right tackle for SMU (not Chase...he was out) could not turn in their DE; therefore, running the ball got bupkus.
However, remember, there were two passing plays that did occur at 3rd & 7 and 3rd & 4 on the first two series; I believe that McJunkin snapped the ball up over BLM's head. I don't mean to shoulda, coulda, woulda, but those miscues early put SMU into a hole.
The 6' 8" receiver was not covered well. However, if a safety had been freed up to cover instead of helping the run defense, Banjo could have drifted over to double cover him. Might not have helped, but it might have forced the QB's timing off.
The interior d-line simply got whipped. We haven't had a consistent interior d-line with experienced depth since Haywood and Bond, and we didn't have experienced depth then. Memphis RBs were into the linebackers almost the minute they touched the ball. To SMU's credit, Memphis only broke a couple of long ones, but death by a thousand cuts is every bit as effective as the big play.
Hopefully, these injuries aren't bad and SMU can play out the next couple of game as wins.
Posted: Mon Nov 10, 2008 11:05 am
by pony warrior
Longtime wrote:Say what you will about the cupboard being bare and this being a rebuilding year and all that. But there is mounting evidence that June Jones is not a good game day coach. He makes highly questionable decisions, especially in crunch time in the few games we have been competitive.
I'm getting the impression that June Jones is all about X's and O's (offensively, of course) and doesn't really care much for, or have an understanding of, game management and clock management. From what I've seen this season, his goal is to have an offense so good that there's no need for strategy or game management. Or defense, for that matter.
And forget Justin Willis. Look at how well Logan Turner performed in a difficult situation - especially after being banished on the depth chart below two incoming freshmen. If Turner had been named the starter at the beginning of the season, as logic would dictate being as he was the only scholarship QB in the spring, this season might not have been the complete abomination it's turned into.
Not that Turner is the savior or anything. Absolutely not. But he would have given the offense a chance to get some stability until Bo Levi was ready to take over at some point in the season.
And not to knock Bo Levi, but I have yet to see why June Jones has such a man crush on him. Not that Bo Levi isn't good, but even accepting that he's a true freshman and isn't surrounded by a lot of experience or talent, I haven't seen whatever it is that June Jones sees in him. I keep looking for something that tells me he's special, but I haven't seen it yet. He's pretty good for a freshman who didn't go through spring, but I just haven't seen whatever it is that garners such devotion from June. Of course, I'm not a coach, either.
You can't be serious...What did Logan do that made you think this. JJ made the right QB decision.
Posted: Mon Nov 10, 2008 11:08 am
by Alaric
OC Mustang wrote:SMU ran the ball early because it saw an opportunity to do so (weak Memphis DE on that side, injury on that side, or somesuch). OR they ran it because they were trying to set up a play to the opposite side (Robinson was lined up on the opposite side) such that a successful run or two to the right would force the DB facing Robinson to turn his hips in instead of square with Aldrick. Unfortunately, the right tackle for SMU (not Chase...he was out) could not turn in their DE; therefore, running the ball got bupkus.
However, remember, there were two passing plays that did occur at 3rd & 7 and 3rd & 4 on the first two series; I believe that McJunkin snapped the ball up over BLM's head. I don't mean to shoulda, coulda, woulda, but those miscues early put SMU into a hole.
The 6' 8" receiver was not covered well. However, if a safety had been freed up to cover instead of helping the run defense, Banjo could have drifted over to double cover him. Might not have helped, but it might have forced the QB's timing off.
The interior d-line simply got whipped. We haven't had a consistent interior d-line with experienced depth since Haywood and Bond, and we didn't have experienced depth then. Memphis RBs were into the linebackers almost the minute they touched the ball. To SMU's credit, Memphis only broke a couple of long ones, but death by a thousand cuts is every bit as effective as the big play.
Hopefully, these injuries aren't bad and SMU can play out the next couple of game as wins.
well said...also tried to run so we could keep our D off the field since we knew they'd have success running. until we can stop another team's running game or until we can score every drive like Tech, you're going to see the coaching staff try lots of gimmicks